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Imothek the Stormlord posses an ability that alows him in the Shooting Phase to target a non-Character model. On a 2+ it does that amount of MW to the target.

His default Warlord Trait Hyperlogical Strategist let´s you RR a single hit-, wound-, or damageroll per battle.


Since GW doesn´t define things, I was under the Impression every roll to hit is a hitroll, every roll to wound is a woundroll and every roll for damage is a damage roll. Further for me the logical-or connection in the wording means, that a single roll has to meet at least one of those three criterias to be eligible as a target for the Warlord trait ability.


Now int the Necron- tactics thread it came to my attention that other players feel different about this, since they see hit-, wound- and damage-rolls as very specific rolls in the game and this one is an arbitrary roll caused by an ability, which would make it not eligible as a target to RR.


So I´m curious what you all think about it and if i have to Change my assumptions.

Creel wrote:
Imothek the Stormlord posses an ability that alows him in the Shooting Phase to target a non-Character model. On a 2+ it does that amount of MW to the target.

His default Warlord Trait Hyperlogical Strategist let´s you RR a single hit-, wound-, or damageroll per battle.


Since GW doesn´t define things, I was under the Impression every roll to hit is a hitroll, every roll to wound is a woundroll and every roll for damage is a damage roll. Further for me the logical-or connection in the wording means, that a single roll has to meet at least one of those three criterias to be eligible as a target for the Warlord trait ability.


Now int the Necron- tactics thread it came to my attention that other players feel different about this, since they see hit-, wound- and damage-rolls as very specific rolls in the game and this one is an arbitrary roll caused by an ability, which would make it not eligible as a target to RR.


So I´m curious what you all think about it and if i have to Change my assumptions.

The trait doesn't affect his ability, it's not a To Hit roll, To Wound roll or a Damage roll.

Creel wrote:

Since GW doesn´t define things, I was under the Impression every roll to hit is a hitroll, every roll to wound is a woundroll and every roll for damage is a damage roll. Further for me the logical-or connection in the wording means, that a single roll has to meet at least one of those three criterias to be eligible as a target for the Warlord trait ability.

Not entirely true. The core rules say :

4. Resolve attacks
• Make hit roll
• Make wound roll
• Enemy allocates
wound
• Enemy makes
saving throw
• Inflict damage

Hit and wound roll are defined. But damage roll isnt, its called inflict damage. You are rolling to see how much damage you do, thus its a damage roll, and can be re-rolled with his warlord trait.

 p5freak wrote:

Creel wrote:

Since GW doesn´t define things, I was under the Impression every roll to hit is a hitroll, every roll to wound is a woundroll and every roll for damage is a damage roll. Further for me the logical-or connection in the wording means, that a single roll has to meet at least one of those three criterias to be eligible as a target for the Warlord trait ability.

Not entirely true. The core rules say :

4. Resolve attacks
• Make hit roll
• Make wound roll
• Enemy allocates
wound
• Enemy makes
saving throw
• Inflict damage

Hit and wound roll are defined. But damage roll isnt, its called inflict damage. You are rolling to see how much damage you do, thus its a damage roll, and can be re-rolled with his warlord trait.

Except it is not a damage roll, since Mortal Wounds are explicitly stated to deal 1 damage each. The only time you roll damage is if the weapon or ability in question has a damage profile of dX.

It’s not a hit, wound or damage roll so that ability couldn’t reroll it.

Happyjew wrote:
Except it is not a damage roll, since Mortal Wounds are explicitly stated to deal 1 damage each.

A roll that determines how much damage is done is not a damage roll ?

Happyjew wrote:
The only time you roll damage is if the weapon or ability in question has a damage profile of dX.

Rule citation please.

 p5freak wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Except it is not a damage roll, since Mortal Wounds are explicitly stated to deal 1 damage each. The only time you roll damage is if the weapon or ability in question has a damage profile of dX.

A roll that determines how much damage is done is not a damage roll ?

No, it determines how many mortal wounds are caused. That is not the same. By that logic rolls to hit also "determine how much damage is done".

Since 8e is being ran by people who clearly hate necrons assume the real answer is the one that necron players don't want.

 BaconCatBug wrote:


No, it determines how many mortal wounds are caused.

Mortal wounds are damage.

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:


No, it determines how many mortal wounds are caused.

Mortal wounds are damage.

From page 181 of the main rulebook:

Each mortal wound inflicts one point of damage...

So no, mortal wounds are not damage. Mortal wounds inflict damage.

 Ghaz wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:


No, it determines how many mortal wounds are caused.

Mortal wounds are damage.

From page 181 of the main rulebook:

Each mortal wound inflicts one point of damage...

So no, mortal wounds are not damage. Mortal wounds inflict damage.

In a nutshell, this. Mortal Wounds are not damage the same as a wound is not damage.