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Powerful Phoenix Lord





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The Eldar had gods before the Birth of She Who Thrists, Orks have Gork/Mork, but Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle have always seems non-species specific to me.
While there are incidents of non-human Chaos cults, I've never really viewed they Chaos gods as "human made", but this quote in anther thread got me thinking:
Andersp90 wrote:
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So did humans create Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle? And then the proliferation of humans in the galaxy spread the influence of those gods. Similar to how Eldar created Slaanesh, but humans can still fall under her sway.

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Dallas area, TX

 Excommunicatus wrote:
No. Their 'history' is written from a massively human-centric POV though and tends to simply gloss over/dismiss/discount anything that suggests the universe existed before humans did.
Too true. But still, looking at other gods, they do seem to share a single race as their "creator".
Slaanesh - Eldar. Also their entire original Pantheon, though there is debate as to whether those were just Old Ones or the Eldar race memory of specific Old Ones
Gork/Mork - Okrs

Kh/Tz/Ng don't seem to have a specific progenitor race...or do they? It actually makes sense that it would be humans given there proliferation across the galaxy and the other existing major races already having their own gods in the Warp at the time.
It also makes sense they the Emperor, a human, would be identified by them as their greatest threat.

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phillv85 wrote:
Slaanesh isn’t necessarily an Eldar created god, it just so happened the Eldar race were huge and hedonistic as feth, which caused Slaanesh’s birth.
Every Eldar codex I've ever owned since 4th would seem to contradict this. Eldar created Slaanesh, pure and simple. This is why many Eldar factions wear spirit stone to capture their soul at death so that it doesn't get consumed. Humans have no such worry with Slaanesh.

And a Warp entity always existing means little, since time doesn't work that same in the Warp.
Slaanesh didn't exist until she/he was born and only at that moment did she/he always exist.

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 Excommunicatus wrote:
It seems a little silly to suggest that war, pestilence and change didn't exist before humans.

Especially since we know for a fact (or for as much of a fact as anything is in 40K) that war pre-dates humanity, and Nurgle rescued/enslaved an Eldar god, which pre-dates humanity.
I'm not suggesting that. I am suggesting that Kh/Tz/Ng are not THE manifestations of war, pestilence and change, but merely the human manifestations of those.

Khaine, for example, is the Eldar god of war, NOT Khorne. Each psychic race manifests their own gods as a result of their emotions. War, Pestilence & Change would appear to be the strongest for humans, if my hypothesis is correct.

It also seem odd that in many, many stories, the extinction of the human race is something detrimental to the Chaos gods. But if there are other races, why would humans be so important to them?

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 Excommunicatus wrote:
Isn't it accepted that Khaine is, in fact, Khorne?
Not by a long shot. In fact when Slaanesh was born and sundered Khaine, She and Khorne fought over possession of Khaine before he was shattered into all the shards that are now embedded in each Avatar of Khaine.

There is, however, a theory I like that states that Khaine is both father and son of Khorne. That as a Warp entity, Khorne always existed and Khaine is an entity that broke off from Khorne and attached itself to the Aeldari patheon and was born first. Then Khorne fully came into being much later off the Warring emotions of humanity.
But that is just a theory

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