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If I take a detachment which takes the Militarum Tempestus Drop Forces, it has some Militarum Tempestus in it and the Valkyrie to make it worthwhile... do the Militarum Tempestus lose their +1 shots when rolling 6s from their Regimental Doctrine?

I ask this as Militarum Tempestus do not benefit from their Regimental Doctrine if they have any other units in their detachment (except auxiliaries). Are Valkyries counted as auxiliaries?

I also note, that you apparently the 2CP strategem which allows for a precision drop of grav chutes is applied to the Valkyrie, and not the units that drop out of it. This can mean that anything can drop out of it... not just Militarum Tempestus Drop Forces units?

Valkyries are aeronautica imperialis. By any reasonable standard, they are allowable through the Regimental Advisors rule for Tempestus.

If you play BCB-Hammer, however, any model INCLUDING auxiliaries breaks the Tempestus doctrine, because the Tempestus rule section is missing the parenthetical calling out the Regimental Advisors rule.

TarkinLarson wrote:
If I take a detachment which takes the Militarum Tempestus Drop Forces, it has some Militarum Tempestus in it and the Valkyrie to make it worthwhile... do the Militarum Tempestus lose their +1 shots when rolling 6s from their Regimental Doctrine?

I ask this as Militarum Tempestus do not benefit from their Regimental Doctrine if they have any other units in their detachment (except auxiliaries). Are Valkyries counted as auxiliaries?

I also note, that you apparently the 2CP strategem which allows for a precision drop of grav chutes is applied to the Valkyrie, and not the units that drop out of it. This can mean that anything can drop out of it... not just Militarum Tempestus Drop Forces units?

Yes, Valkyries do not interfere with Regimental Traits, just like e.g. Bullgryn. The stratagem targets the Valkyrie because stratagems can't target units inside a transport. But the Stratagem only affects units with the specialist formations keyword (I use a German book, so it's (please shout mentally) TEMPESTUS-EINSATZKOMMANDO), so it could never affect e.g. an Astropath jumping out. And it's a 1CP stratagem in my book, is this different in the english version?

That being said - this specialist detachment is fething ridiculous in terms of power - you can give basically all your scions a +1 tohit if you go with 10 man squads, and plasma guns cannot Get Hot - AND you get a result of 6+ on a roll of 5 or 6. I'd recommend not spamming this in a friendly match unless you like dreadsocks.

They do interfere for Militarum Tempestus because their rule is more restrictive than other Regiments rules. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/755709.page#9947889

To answer the OP, you lose the Doctrine if you include a Valkyrie. This is how it's always been. And due to GW's silly FAQ regarding what constitutes a MILITARUM TEMPESTUS detachment (that ignores literally every other example/rule given), you also can't use the stratagems on a detachment that includes a Valkyrie.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
They do interfere for Militarum Tempestus because their rule is more restrictive than other Regiments rules. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/755709.page#9947889

To answer the OP, you lose the Doctrine if you include a Valkyrie. This is how it's always been. And due to GW's silly FAQ regarding what constitutes a MILITARUM TEMPESTUS detachment (that ignores literally every other example/rule given), you also can't use the stratagems on a detachment that includes a Valkyrie.

and noone* plays it like that, so it's only an issue in BCB-hammer, not in any other games.

* except BCB-hammer fans, and I've yet to see proof of that.

I eagerly awaited the first BCB-ICT Event where all BCB rules are enforced to the letter.


This would be hilarious. I would pay to watch it, I kid you not.


To answer the OP - The other posters are correct, presently the vast majority of the world and tournament events play it as taking a Valkayrie does not stop you from gaining the benefits of your regimental doctrine, and as such you do get extra shots on 6's [Which become extra shots on 5's if under the bonuses provided by the drop force warlord trait.]

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I eagerly awaited the first BCB-ICT Event where all BCB rules are enforced to the letter.

I'd take a simple video battle report, no need to force more than two players through that. It'd be fascinating to see at which point the dreadsock enters the game. Shouting "YoU DoNt HaVe PeRmIsSiOn" is probably not as good of a save as one might think... roughly a 7+ , as in "if you take cover you might not get hurt".

 BaconCatBug wrote:
you also can't use the stratagems on a detachment that includes a Valkyrie.

I don't think this is correct. You can have 3 Valkyries in an air wing detachment, and give it the Storm Troopers Doctrine (custom regiment). Which then makes it a qualifying detachment, no? (according to the FAQ)

Vigilus FAQ wrote:
Q: For the purposes of the Tempestus Drop Force Specialist
Detachment, what is a Militarum Tempestus Detachment?
A: A Militarum Tempestus Detachment is an Astra
Militarum Detachment that has the Storm Troopers
Regimental Doctrine.

No. That detachment lacks any <Regiment> units and therefore cannot pick a doctrine.

Right, I mis read that.

But you can still use it on any other detachment with a custom regiment, and give them the Storm Troopers Doctrine.
Awkward and really not what they intended, but as written that appears to be the way to do it.