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I just got a hold of 25 brand new unbuilt intercessors to add to my collection (I currently have 25 Dark Imperium Intercessors) and I'm interested on how to split them up and whether or not Stalker bolters are worth it given the new changes to the beta rule and also considering the Indomitous strats.

I've decided to dedicate 10 of them to being Deathwatch with Bolt Rifles....because seriously they are amazing.

The other 15 im not so sure of. Will I ever need more than 30 Bolt Rifle Intercessors? Should I make 10 Stalker bolt rifles just to round things out and have something different to try? Whats your guys opinion?

Bonus Question! Plasma or Heavy Bolters on Inceptors?

The general notion is that it's not worth it's points.

Stalkers were questionable even before the new beta rule, now they're completely dead. There is sadly no reason to take anything except the rapid fire rifles.

Inceptors can work either way, though due the high number of shots overcharging the plasma is hella risky, even with the rerolls. The bolt ones are relatively cheap and easy to use.

They are pretty bad. I would generally avoid. Stalkers compared to Rapid Fire is basically something that is marginally better in a specific niche versus something that is significantly better all of the rest of the time.

It's no contest really! Which is a shame.

They need something genuinely interesting. Make them 48" with a mortal wound on 6s to wound or something like that. Probably wouldn't even need a point increase frankly.

There is precisely one reason to take them, and it's poor at best. One of the new Specialist Detachment allows Intercessors with the Stalkers (I believe) to snipe characters...but that's after numerous CP are spent to get there, for a mediocre capability. Sooooo....nope.

Dang I was worried that might be the case! Shooting a character sounds really cool but yeah....im already paying 2 CP just to activate the unit. At least with Bolt rifles I can park myself and get 40 shots in with a 10 man unit. Potentially more with an Ancient in tow.

I may have to shift the numbers to be 15 Deathwatch and 10 Bolt Rifles now! I was lucky enough to have the bit box to turn 2 starter death watch boxes into 40 deathwatch marines so im pretty much set there too.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Dang I was worried that might be the case! Shooting a character sounds really cool but yeah....im already paying 2 CP just to activate the unit. At least with Bolt rifles I can park myself and get 40 shots in with a 10 man unit. Potentially more with an Ancient in tow.

I may have to shift the numbers to be 15 Deathwatch and 10 Bolt Rifles now! I was lucky enough to have the bit box to turn 2 starter death watch boxes into 40 deathwatch marines so im pretty much set there too.

You'll never get more than 20 shots with a 10 man Intercessor squad. I think you need to read the rule again

 Stux wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Dang I was worried that might be the case! Shooting a character sounds really cool but yeah....im already paying 2 CP just to activate the unit. At least with Bolt rifles I can park myself and get 40 shots in with a 10 man unit. Potentially more with an Ancient in tow.

I may have to shift the numbers to be 15 Deathwatch and 10 Bolt Rifles now! I was lucky enough to have the bit box to turn 2 starter death watch boxes into 40 deathwatch marines so im pretty much set there too.

You'll never get more than 20 shots with a 10 man Intercessor squad. I think you need to read the rule again

You get with the Vigilus stratagem!

 Stux wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Dang I was worried that might be the case! Shooting a character sounds really cool but yeah....im already paying 2 CP just to activate the unit. At least with Bolt rifles I can park myself and get 40 shots in with a 10 man unit. Potentially more with an Ancient in tow.

I may have to shift the numbers to be 15 Deathwatch and 10 Bolt Rifles now! I was lucky enough to have the bit box to turn 2 starter death watch boxes into 40 deathwatch marines so im pretty much set there too.

You'll never get more than 20 shots with a 10 man Intercessor squad. I think you need to read the rule again

I meant with the Indomitus Crusaders rule, sorry! Even without it 20 AP-1 shots at 30" is still fairly robust, especially if they are camping in cover with a fat 2+ save.

Im actually envisioning a discoball of death with 20 veteran intercessors, 2 Repulsors and a trailing Guilliman to really wreck some face, sprinkle in a few more Intercessors for objective campers. Dont know if it will be worth it will all this Castellan nonsense, thankfully I have my own to bring along just in case.

Ohhhh, yeah that's true. My bad.

I'm so used to people getting the rule wrong at this point that I jumped to conclusions!

Though isn't the OP talking about Deathwatch?

If you're just pointing out I'm technically wrong though, that's valid!

 Stux wrote:
Ohhhh, yeah that's true. My bad.

I'm so used to people getting the rule wrong at this point that I jumped to conclusions!

Though isn't the OP talking about Deathwatch?

If you're just pointing out I'm technically wrong though, that's valid!

Im doing both deathwatch and regular marines actually! I forget that the Indomitus Crusaders rule is only for Space Marines (or can deathwatch qualify?)

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Ohhhh, yeah that's true. My bad.

I'm so used to people getting the rule wrong at this point that I jumped to conclusions!

Though isn't the OP talking about Deathwatch?

If you're just pointing out I'm technically wrong though, that's valid!

Im doing both deathwatch and regular marines actually! I forget that the Indomitus Crusaders rule is only for Space Marines (or can deathwatch qualify?)

It's Space Marines only. Which actually means no Dark Angels, Blood Angels, or Space Wolves either!

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Bonus Question! Plasma or Heavy Bolters on Inceptors?

3 Bolter Inceptors are mobile and kick out a lot of chaff-clearing firepower for their points. They are even pretty decent vs MEQs due to simple weight of dice.

Plasma Inceptors are worth it if you want something to hunt down multi-wound models. My friend normally runs multiple daemon princes behind a screen of daemons. Plasma Inceptors can drop down behind them and assassinate them quite well. Here is the thing though, you really need a Captain with Jump Pack to run plasma Inceptors. They need to overcharge against most targets to be worth their points and that is too risky unless you have some means to reroll 1s.

I run Blood Angels so my Captain Smash normally hangs with the Inceptors until a suitable target for his hammer presents itself so that is no problem for me. If you are willing to invest in a babysitting Captain, Plasma can be worth it. Otherwise, go for bolters.

I've build Killteam (and subsequently regular 40k) Lieutenants/sergeants with Stalker bolt rifles for backfield babysitting. I would recommend standard bolt rifles for all infantryman though.

I think a case could be made for the assault ones, as they still project firepower on the move (especially in DW). but the heavy is pretty dead at this point.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
I just got a hold of 25 brand new unbuilt intercessors to add to my collection (I currently have 25 Dark Imperium Intercessors) and I'm interested on how to split them up and whether or not Stalker bolters are worth it given the new changes to the beta rule and also considering the Indomitous strats.

I've decided to dedicate 10 of them to being Deathwatch with Bolt Rifles....because seriously they are amazing.

The other 15 im not so sure of. Will I ever need more than 30 Bolt Rifle Intercessors? Should I make 10 Stalker bolt rifles just to round things out and have something different to try? Whats your guys opinion?

Bonus Question! Plasma or Heavy Bolters on Inceptors?

No, they suck so bad, I've fielded them multiple times and they've just disappointed every time, they literally do nothing. They need just ap -1 but an increase of 2 damage, that would sort them out. I'd even give them ap -2 and 2 damage.