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Steak/Butter knives that are NOT!!!! handle heavy??, ever tried walking with a plate of food with a knife and fork on it, just the tiny little bump and it falls off splattering food every where. Or you have to make sure NONE of the handle is hanging over the edge... its just so annoying so there you go, i think it will be a success.

Seriously this is a good invention. If its so good then why don't i do it?, because this is my gift to you. EDIT - You will make millions of dollars. ( not joking )

EDIT - HAS BEEN INVENTED ALREADY AFTER SOME THOUGHT, JUST NEEDS TO REPLACE ALL THE RIDICULOUS OTHER ONES, SO TOPIC HAS CHANGED TO WHY HEAVY HANDLES ARE SO OFFENSIVE TO HUMANITY.

Simple reason: It is handle heavy so that, IF DROPPED, it will land handle first, rather than blade point first.

Well then im referring to the more butter knives looking knives, where the tip is rounded not pointy, those are common dinner cutlery in NZ those sort of knives, i thought other countries would be the same, unless a lot of people like using sharp pointing knives for most of there meals. It makes no sence and its a useless design, like for instance even when you have finished your dinner, if the handle is a little bit too much over the edge as you are taking your plate to the dishwasher, it easily can fall, and does.

 Stormatious wrote:
..., if the handle is a little bit too much over the edge as you are taking your plate to the dishwasher, it easily can fall, and does.

So don't hang the handle over the edge...?

 insaniak wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
..., if the handle is a little bit too much over the edge as you are taking your plate to the dishwasher, it easily can fall, and does.

So don't hang the handle over the edge...?

Not that easy when there's a mass of food on a plate and you don't want to stick also the handle in it

 John Prins wrote:
Simple reason: It is handle heavy so that, IF DROPPED, it will land handle first, rather than blade point first.

Aye, this is a good reason not to have the blade be the heavy part. but I suspect the real reason is comfort and ease of use.

Its much more ergonomic to use a knife which is heaviest at the handle. It gives better control while using it.

The same applies to swords. Its why most swords were balanced in the hilt or just shortly before it. It gave extra point control for stuff like rapiers and longswords. Even two-handed swords often kept the balance point as close as possible to the handle for ease of use.

No. You cannot compare swords to dinner knives for many reasons, do i need to really explain why?. It doesn't have to be heavy on one end, it just needs to not be HANDLE HEAVY, its not practical having a handle that is alot of the time slightly hanging over the edge be so much heavier then the rest of it that is falls, and this is a dinner knife after all its not going to be very heavy...


Edit - What am i seriously the only one here who regularly has there knives falling off there plate because the annoying design?

 Stormatious wrote:
Not that easy when there's a mass of food on a plate and you don't want to stick also the handle in it

Why are you putting a plate with a mass of food on it in the dishwasher...?

 Stormatious wrote:

Edit - What am i seriously the only one here who regularly has there knives falling off there plate because the annoying design?

Seems like it

 insaniak wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Not that easy when there's a mass of food on a plate and you don't want to stick also the handle in it

Why are you putting a plate with a mass of food on it in the dishwasher...?

 Stormatious wrote:

Edit - What am i seriously the only one here who regularly has there knives falling off there plate because the annoying design?

Seems like it

Kinda strange. No i mean when you have finished your food and you have your fork and knife on your plate, and walking it to the dishwasher. PLUS having more weight on one side means its more likely to slip off during the walking it to the dishwasher after food has gone process.

Any way i have calculated based on common sense ( not trying to offend any one at all, sorry if i have) that it is probably happening all the time because of this design.

Can any one please explain how i am wrong?

What sort of barbarian carries cutlery on the plate? The cutlery should be set on the table before the food arrives...

Did no books on etiquette survive the long colonial voyages?

 Riquende wrote:
What sort of barbarian carries cutlery on the plate? The cutlery should be set on the table before the food arrives...

Did no books on etiquette survive the long colonial voyages?

What are you saying its barbarian to carry your plate of food with the knife and fork side by side inside the food with just the handles sticking out the side???? Whats wrong with this method of transportation

And what about when the person who picks the plates up to clean them with the knife and fork on it>?

Just so you know millions and millions and millions of non barbarian Indians eat with there hands.

 Stormatious wrote:

Just so you know millions and millions and millions of non barbarian Indians eat with there hands.

Dude, you got trolled.

Back on subject, it's nearly impossible to not have the handle be heavier. The tang of the blade needs to be nearly as long as the blade length, otherwise it could snap in the middle of the handle if put under pressure (very bad). You need to bulk up the handle so that a person can grip it properly. The end result is a hilt heavier than the blade unless you have some kind of specialist blade like a cleaver.

As to butter knives, they're one piece construction and all metal so that they can be run through high temperature dishwashers without damaging them. Plastic or wooden handles would degrade under the temperatures. So if you have a need to wash dishes on an industrial scale, you want all metal construction, and that means any hilt 'bulk' is going to out-mass blade.

 John Prins wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:

Just so you know millions and millions and millions of non barbarian Indians eat with there hands.

Dude, you got trolled.

Back on subject, it's nearly impossible to not have the handle be heavier. The tang of the blade needs to be nearly as long as the blade length, otherwise it could snap in the middle of the handle if put under pressure (very bad). You need to bulk up the handle so that a person can grip it properly. The end result is a hilt heavier than the blade unless you have some kind of specialist blade like a cleaver.

As to butter knives, they're one piece construction and all metal so that they can be run through high temperature dishwashers without damaging them. Plastic or wooden handles would degrade under the temperatures. So if you have a need to wash dishes on an industrial scale, you want all metal construction, and that means any hilt 'bulk' is going to out-mass blade.

Here is how the design works, the handle is mostly flat but not completely ( this is common any way ), and remember when you cut with a knife you generally put your index fingure on the top etc, so this roundness is not needed for comfort or any thing unless you need to grip your knife like your holding a 5 ton heldrake tale to stop it from flying away. So flat but not flatter then the cutting end obviously, have it a little bit wider on the top of the handle but still keeping it rather flat overall, and simply use lighter materials for the handle.

So like yeah imo your "grip it properly comment" really does no match reality for how one handles there dinner knife.


I forgot these knives already exist, so it changes the conversation to what the heck are these other company s doing the design is annoying ( the design with large handles like a motorbike )


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There handle heavy design is dangerous. I am the first to discover this and i think some company s will be getting sued now.

I think you're going to have a hard time proving that the handle of a knife hitting your foot is likely to do more damage than it landing point first...

 insaniak wrote:
I think you're going to have a hard time proving that the handle of a knife hitting your foot is likely to do more damage than it landing point first...

Ok it doesn't have to be completely even weight distribution, you can have slightly more weight on the handle that's fine, at least its not like these other ones with much heavier handles that are simply anoying. The one i am thinking of is exactly like that, the handle is slightly heavier only slightly. This decreases the chances of it falling in the first place so its less likely any way if its handle or rounded tip that hits you. If you're going to have this Definitive handle must weigh MORE design, its just not correct in terms of what a proper dinner knife design should be in this planet earth. Its a bad design. and obviously now we can see more dangerous.

as has already been covered, I feel like this is more of a you problem.

knives have been around a long time.. their designs are probably pretty solid by now.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
as has already been covered, I feel like this is more of a you problem.

knives have been around a long time.. their designs are probably pretty solid by now.

How is it my problem when i have explained why having more weight on one end increases the chance of it falling in the first place which is annoying and potentially making it more dangerous. Based on the fact we know this gives it more falling potential, we can then assume if we took a world wide pole of people who use these would most likely say yes, they experience in there lives alot of the knife falling of the place then they would if they were all designed the way im saying it is supposed to be.

I dislike a handle being too heavy to the point where it feels unbalanced in the hand, though I tend to find this more an issue when the knife is overall thicker and its top side is heavier and it slips easily so that suddenly you glance down and its casually slipped upside down in your hand (by which point you look like a fool with your knife trying to cut a sausage with the blunt side).

However it sounds like you've got to master the art of learning to hold your plate AND cutlery at the SAME time.

1) If the plate if FULL of food and you want the handles of the cutlery clean then you hold the handles whilst you walk.

2) If the plate is EMPTY of food or only has remains to be put in the bin then you push the cutlery so that the handles are within the plate, nothing dangling over the edge. It doesn't matter that they are getting dirty at this stage because the plate and all are going in the wash.


If the plate is too small to hold the cutlery fully then hold the handles as you walk.

 Overread wrote:
I dislike a handle being too heavy to the point where it feels unbalanced in the hand, though I tend to find this more an issue when the knife is overall thicker and its top side is heavier and it slips easily so that suddenly you glance down and its casually slipped upside down in your hand (by which point you look like a fool with your knife trying to cut a sausage with the blunt side).

However it sounds like you've got to master the art of learning to hold your plate AND cutlery at the SAME time.

1) If the plate if FULL of food and you want the handles of the cutlery clean then you hold the handles whilst you walk.

2) If the plate is EMPTY of food or only has remains to be put in the bin then you push the cutlery so that the handles are within the plate, nothing dangling over the edge. It doesn't matter that they are getting dirty at this stage because the plate and all are going in the wash.


If the plate is too small to hold the cutlery fully then hold the handles as you walk.

Yeah sorry but your not being realistic about this in my opinion, most poeple wouldn't go through that kind of thought process to either pack dishes up to transport them, expecially busy restraunts where they dont pack up the plates and cutlery like its a precious fragile flower, what about all those people eating outside for some event and holding a cup in the other hand as they walk to there table. What about the majority of humans who dont do what you're talking about.

You mean people who haven't learnt how to pin a knife and fork under their thumb/finger as they carry a plate at the same time?

Seriously if you can carry food on a plate you can carry cutlery without any difficulties.

Also I've never seen a restaurant carry cutlery on a plate when serving you. The cutlery is either wrapped up in a napkin on your table before you get there or is in a self collection spot or its brought out by the server at the same time as the plate - but not on the plate, however often carried in a pouch or other such pocket. Or just brought on its own.

The only time they have cutlery to balance is when the meal is finished and then the cutlery is in the middle of the plate so there's nothing balancing over the edge.




It's not high intensity thought here, its basic how to carry a plate, knife and fork at the same time stuff.

 Overread wrote:
You mean people who haven't learnt how to pin a knife and fork under their thumb/finger as they carry a plate at the same time?

Seriously if you can carry food on a plate you can carry cutlery without any difficulties.

Also I've never seen a restaurant carry cutlery on a plate when serving you. The cutlery is either wrapped up in a napkin on your table before you get there or is in a self collection spot or its brought out by the server at the same time as the plate - but not on the plate, however often carried in a pouch or other such pocket. Or just brought on its own.

The only time they have cutlery to balance is when the meal is finished and then the cutlery is in the middle of the plate so there's nothing balancing over the edge.




It's not high intensity thought here, its basic how to carry a plate, knife and fork at the same time stuff.

The clean up, they stack plates chuck knives forks on top and with knowing how easy they fall off you can do the maths. People stop to drink there wine and chat in this world quite often they put there knife and fork down where they hang off the edge, this is a fact.

I think you high intensity thought comment is not warranted and is baseless. Think of the big picture, world wide. Not every one in the world neither majority puts there knives and forks on there tables first, mabey most restraunts etc, but not homes, and forget restraunts when tghey are serving, its when they clean up.


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I don't think im making any sense or no one is reading what im saying and properly explaining why i am wrong, i don't see why i am wrong yet so??

seriously? your posts are like the ramblings of a madman.. like something you'd find them in a diary of a crazy person, or scrawled on the toilet walls of an insane asylum.

just push the knife further onto the plate, then it wont fall. no one is balancing the hilt of a knife on the edge of a plate.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
seriously? your posts are like the ramblings of a madman.. like something you'd find them in a diary of a crazy person, or scrawled on the toilet walls of an insane asylum.

just push the knife further onto the plate, then it wont fall. no one is balancing the hilt of a knife on the edge of a plate.

Oh ok genius.

 Overread wrote:
You mean people who haven't learnt how to pin a knife and fork under their thumb/finger as they carry a plate at the same time?

Seriously if you can carry food on a plate you can carry cutlery without any difficulties.

Also I've never seen a restaurant carry cutlery on a plate when serving you. The cutlery is either wrapped up in a napkin on your table before you get there or is in a self collection spot or its brought out by the server at the same time as the plate - but not on the plate, however often carried in a pouch or other such pocket. Or just brought on its own.

The only time they have cutlery to balance is when the meal is finished and then the cutlery is in the middle of the plate so there's nothing balancing over the edge.




It's not high intensity thought here, its basic how to carry a plate, knife and fork at the same time stuff.

This!


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 Stormatious wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
seriously? your posts are like the ramblings of a madman.. like something you'd find them in a diary of a crazy person, or scrawled on the toilet walls of an insane asylum.

just push the knife further onto the plate, then it wont fall. no one is balancing the hilt of a knife on the edge of a plate.

Oh ok genius.

this thread has made my morning though.

You are ignoring alot of what i have said and instead decided to be insulting, i guess that's a pretty intellectual constructive which is helpful statement.

I'm not ignoring what youre saying, its just you seem stuck in this weird loop where you cant seem to take it what other people are saying.

as I said before the knife has about 2.5 million years of evolution to fall back on, if it couldve been improved, it wouldve.

and as others have said, push the knife further onto your plate, or carry it in your hand.

me, and evidently most others have never had the problem of balancing the hilt of a butter knife on the rim of a plate.. I've got a vision of you freaking out trying to balance your knives. its amusing.

sure, I've dropped many knives, but that's generally accepted as clumsiness on the part of the carrier, rather than knife design.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I'm not ignoring what youre saying, its just you seem stuck in this weird loop where you cant seem to take it what other people are saying.

as I said before the knife has about 2.5 million years of evolution to fall back on, if it couldve been improved, it wouldve.

and as others have said, push the knife further onto your plate, or carry it in your hand.

me, and evidently most others have never had the problem of balancing the hilt of a butter knife on the rim of a plate.. I've got a vision of you freaking out trying to balance your knives. its amusing.

sure, I've dropped many knives, but that's generally accepted as clumsiness on the part of the carrier, rather than knife design.

Ok well i should have made a poll atleast that would give a better idea if im right or wrong about this being a issue with the majority, but yeah definitely im not stuck on a loop or any thing you're describing in your visions lol, but i feel generally in the world wide spectrum of things this would be an issue, especially people in poverty and 3rd world country's where not every one sits all neatly around a dinner table doing every thing "the traditional western way", im really saying this whole thing as a larger issue world wide. Like i feel if we got opinions of those who can not afford tables and sit outside mud houses on plastic chairs, we would see what im saying as being correct.


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Lets admit the facts, alot of people put there knives and forks on there plate when finished with food, the plate gets moved around some times to fast the one sided weight distributed cutlery falls off...right?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

as I said before the knife has about 2.5 million years of evolution to fall back on, if it couldve been improved, it wouldve.

Probably a few hundred thousand years, but the point stands.

You know what have been around for millions of years and solve the problem, though? Opposable thumbs.


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 Stormatious wrote:
Like i feel if we got opinions of those who can not afford tables and sit outside mud houses on plastic chairs, we would see what im saying as being correct.

There aren't many people in the world who can't afford tables but do have plastic chairs and even fewer who live in mud huts, but I spend a lot of time eating outside with agricultural workers and shepherds outside in Iraq. You don't use cutlery.

Sooo... I don't think there's anything productive likely to happen here. Time to move on, folks.