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So I ordered a metal Azrael model off of eBay. Product description says it comes with a 25mm base, is it correct to mount Azrael on a 40 mm base?

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There is no rule about base sizes, you can use whatever you like.
   
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RAW, there's nothing preventing you from doing so as there are no rules that officially govern base sizes.

General notion/agreement/opinion on base sizing is that going down in base size is frowned upon when done on units that rely on surrounding the target, and going up in base size is frowned upon when done on units with aura radius.

However, overall, sizing up or down all come with their own sets of advantages and disadvantages so YMMV.
   
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 Freeflow44 wrote:
So I ordered a metal Azrael model off of eBay. Product description says it comes with a 25mm base, is it correct to mount Azrael on a 40 mm base?


As explained above, there's no official rule on base size.

Many tournaments use a rule that models must be on the base they were sold with (which can be interpreted to mean "any base the model has ever been with").

Azrael has only ever been sold on 25mm, so by that standard he would need to remain on 25mm.

That's said, 90% of people in pickup games will not care. I have a Primaris Scale Azrael conversion who is on a 40mm, because he'd look weird on anything smaller!
   
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 Stux wrote:
Azrael has only ever been sold on 25mm, so by that standard he would need to remain on 25mm.


Official sales have always only been on a 25mm base, so the most logical thing to do would be to mount him on a 25mm base, or on a 32mm base as that is the current golden standard for MEQ units in power armour.

The 'rule' of mounting a miniature on the base it was provided with, is also no official rule. As long as GW doesn't put its foot down and simply manufactures a list with "Official Base Sizes" you are free to do as you please, and extremes and oddities will be frowned upon. To make matters worse, the 'rule' might be 'This' in one tournament, and 'That' in a tournament a week and a town further. All depending on the whims of the tournament organisers.

I once had an online discussion that went sour real fast. I bought loose bits through various online sources. Kilted legs from this company, Imperial Guard torsos through Ebay, heads from another company, etc. This was at a time when "the base the miniature was provided with" was more of an actual rule. As such, I had miniatures that had no base provided.
More hillarity ensued when people suggested to base the models on 25mm bases, just like all human-sized infantry models in the Imperial Guard range. So I mentioned I would likely do so, up to an including the members of my heavy weapons teams. "HERESY! They must be put on a 60mm base." People didn't appreciate me putting them on a 25mm base each - just like the missile launcher and his heavy weapons team mate, the loader, in the Imperial Guard Codex (7th) on two separate photos - and putting those two on a 60mm scenic base, so I could remove the loader as a casualty/wound marker.
I mean, what happened to 'my models, my choice? Was it cheating and modeling for advantage to put human-sized infantry models on the bases normal for human-sized infantry models, and placing those on a scenic base to conform to the average base for heavy weapons teams? What was their problem anyways? "Photos are not rules!" Certainly, but they are an indication that the producing company - GW - doesn't take their "rules" as serious as some of the opponents of putting heavy weapons team models on individual bases.

So, like others have said, as did I, put Azrael on a 25mm base, as he is metal, and with the tab on the bottom uniquely designed to fit a 25mm slottabase, or snip off the tab and place him on a nice 32mm base like the majority of the (Chaos) Space Marine ranges. You shouldn't encounter too many problems either way.
   
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My counts-as is a Dark Vengeance conversion on a 40mm. Meh. Who actually cares?

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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On 25mm base a 6 inch bubble covers 98868mm^2
On 32mm base a 6 inch bubble covers 106825mm^2
On 40mm base a 6 inch bubnle covers 116295mm^2

That's a whole 17426mm^2 of extra aura over a 25mm and 9470 over a 32mm base you WAAC maniac you
   
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Ice_can wrote:
On 25mm base a 6 inch bubble covers 98868mm^2
On 32mm base a 6 inch bubble covers 106825mm^2
On 40mm base a 6 inch bubnle covers 116295mm^2

That's a whole 17426mm^2 of extra aura over a 25mm and 9470 over a 32mm base you WAAC maniac you


In most circumstances I think the radius is more relevant than the area, unless you're taking so much you're struggling to fit it in!

Most of the time you're only getting up to 7.5mm of advantage.
   
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 Stux wrote:
Ice_can wrote:
On 25mm base a 6 inch bubble covers 98868mm^2
On 32mm base a 6 inch bubble covers 106825mm^2
On 40mm base a 6 inch bubnle covers 116295mm^2

That's a whole 17426mm^2 of extra aura over a 25mm and 9470 over a 32mm base you WAAC maniac you


In most circumstances I think the radius is more relevant than the area, unless you're taking so much you're struggling to fit it in!

Most of the time you're only getting up to 7.5mm of advantage.

It's was ment to be sarcasm, it's under 3 marines worth of extra area, if you genuinely are winning or losing a game by 3 marines that's a lot closer than most 8th edition match ups.
   
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Yeah, I got that it was somewhat tongue in cheek. But it is an objection some people would have, so I felt worth addressing anyway!

Although... Quick maths, and I may be missing something:

A 25mm base is 490mm^2. Surely that fits about 35 bases into your extra 17426mm^2. Albeit assuming no wasted space, which is impossible! But still, a lot more than 3.
   
 
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