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Soup in't even the problem. It's specifically the combination of Guard in conjunction with CP hungry, expensive units.

I run a Castellan as part of a thematic AdMech army alongside Cawl. The list is not as competitive and has many short-comings including lack of mobility. Why should it be nerfed?

Nerf the loyal 32!


At the same time, any significant changes to Imperium armies immediately make Eldar the best at everything and they will sweep the whole meta.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Eldar (the other dominant soup list) will dominate

Much like the Castellan relying on IG to be dominant the Eldar rely on Ynnari to be dominant. So fixing Ynnari would probably fix the Eldar soup. The Eldar in top 20 of LVO were all Ynnari except for one Drukhari in 12th if I recall correctly. Tells me that Ynnari is problematic(because of shoot twice I presume) and not necessarily other Aeldari soups.

Wrong. Dark Eldar and Harlequin combo can destroy anything without any support from Ynnari

Lol. I really don't like the Elves...

I do think people have forgotten just how bad things were not so long ago...

In 7th edition there were armies that could NEVER win against certain opponents.

There we units that were mathematically invincible, You could fire 1500 las cannons at something and not kill it.

There were other armies that you couldn't interact with it all. You could move terrain with psychic powers along with the units on the terrain, join characters to units to create crazy combinations. Armies like Dark Eldar, Orks, Guard were just punching bags that were destroyed in less time than it took you to deploy. Other armies got free units or wargear, so the 2k game has one guy put down 3k and call it a "fair game"

Vehicles were all un-usable. Monstrous and Gargantuan Creatures were everywhere and could delete models without the opponent rolling dice.

This was only just over 2 years ago