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Made in ca
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Hey everyone! I'm starting out a scions army because I absolutely love the models and the lore behind them. I know they aren't tournament competitive,but they're more for playing with my buddies. We do play casually, however, we are all all pretty competitive so we go for smaller lists that aren't super optimised to balance fun with fluff and actually trying to win. Would just like some opinions on the list

Spoiler:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [52 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Millitarum Tempestus

+ HQ +

Lord Commissar [4 PL, 35pts]: Bolt pistol, Power sword

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 49pts]: Display Astra Militarum Orders, Master of Command, Power sword, Relic: The Laurels of Command, Tempestus Command Rod, Warlord

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 118pts]
. 5x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 67pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 67pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Elites +

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 89pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Plasma gun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 89pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Plasma gun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun

+ Flyer +

Valkyries [8 PL, 137pts]
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser
. . 2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Valkyries [8 PL, 121pts]
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser

+ Dedicated Transport +

Taurox Prime [6 PL, 114pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [6 PL, 114pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

++ Total: [52 PL, 1000pts] ++


General plan is each valk has one command squad, one plasma troop squad and one of the HQ's (I like balance to make target priority more difficult) with a mission to hover and drop their payload turn one. The 2 tauroxes in the rear providing anti-infantry support, holding objectives, or moving forward. The 10 man with the volleyguns will most likely drop wherever support is needed. Criticism on my tactics also welcome XD

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Made in ca
Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant





I would try to find the points to put Lascannons on both Valkyries. It's only 20 points to upgrade both and Lascannons are ridiculously better than Multi-Lasers. I would also replace the Lord Commissar with another Tempestor Prime. Both Valkyrie drops want orders and a Prime riding shotgun in each gives you more tactical flexibility.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/02/12 04:50:39


The Devil Hides in You
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Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User





I was thinking about it but they only hit on 4's and I have to get rid of the heavy bolters which should provide a few more infantry kills. I'll have to think about it, for sure taking the tempestus prime, had the commissar for my original plan with more people in squads for the morale boost
   
Made in ca
Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant





Not necessarily. You can trim points on the lone Plasma Gunner in each command squad. Trust me, 1x S9 -3 D6 damage shot is going to be more clutch than 3x S6 -0 1 damage shots. Multi-lasers are complete garbage. A Lascannon upgrade for 10 points is a steal. If you're going to run Valkyries, the best load out IMO is Lascannon, 2x Heavy Bolters, 2x Multiple Rocket Pods. Don't forget that you can split fire. Put the Lascannon on a heavy target and the Heavy Bolters and Multiple Rocket Pods on whatever else.

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The Devil Hides in You
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Made in us
Executing Exarch





Santa Clara County

The Battle Cannon and Gattling Cannon seem such a waste on the Taurox as the LR get to shoot twice for the same amount of points.

I've had decent success with ML/Dual AutoCannon

No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
 
   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User





Yeah I kept the ML and the heavy bolters, want the valks to clear screens for the meltas plus keep them kind of cheap. I have the taurox because those are the models I have and wanted to keep the list pure Tempestus Scions
   
Made in us
Executing Exarch





Santa Clara County

Completely understand. I would still use the Taurox, just equip differently.

No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
 
   
Made in us
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First things first, the list is illegal, you can't have 2 command squads with 1 tempestor prime. It is one command squad per tempestor prime. Also at 1000 points don't know you need 6 meltas, would just make 1 squad 4 melta 1 squad 4 plasma. More flexible, and save you some points. Also personal preference but plasma pistol on your sgts aside from the volley gun squad. Reason being its cheap, and another plasma shot you can over charge (barring modifiers), and you should ALWAYS be inside 12" range for your targeted enemy.

Finally Tauroxes, IMO the gatling/volley load out is overcosted because of the range, you have to move to shoot anything so 4s turn 1.

Then, your tauroxes are almost always going to be at least profiled before you fire them in the 2nd turn. So 4s or 5s. Generally find Tauroxes to over costed no matter their role. I only have 2 uses for them personally, 1 with gatling load out stuffed with a squad that isn't deepstriking (your valks are being used for this). The only other use I have for the is mostly for larger point games, equipping a couple with missile/autocannon load out. Generally in larger point games your enemy has more important targets, and because of how far back they can sit they can often give you a couple good turns of shooting.
   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




I would just take entirely Plasma. It's almost as good as Melta against hard targets, better against everything else, has twice the range, and costs less.
   
Made in us
Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot





I would take this list instead

Scions 1k
Astra Militarum

Tempestor Prime: Tempestus command rod 45

Tempestor Prime: Tempestus command rod 45

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × plasma gun 67

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × plasma gun 67

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × plasma gun 67

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × meltagun 73

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad: 4 × plasma gun 80

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad: 4 × plasma gun 80

Leman Russ Conqueror 155

Leman Russ Conqueror: storm bolter 157

Valkyrie: lascannon; 2 multiple rocket pods; 2 heavy bolters 163

999 points
Power Rating 54

   
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Storm Trooper with Maglight




Iowa

That list would make the Scions lose their doctrine.

If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed. 
   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User





 Apple Peel wrote:
That list would make the Scions lose their doctrine.


That and I wanted it to be full scions.

Yeah I was thinking of changing the command squads to plasma instead. The only thing is that I don't want the list to be too competative but I guess that's the point of this forum page. I mainly want the taurox for holding mid or backfield objectives.

   
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot





 Apple Peel wrote:
That list would make the Scions lose their doctrine.


Why?
   
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Storm Trooper with Maglight




Iowa

Erik the Red wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
That list would make the Scions lose their doctrine.


Why?


Because Scions aren’t from normal regiments, they are from special forces regiments, so they can’t take things like sentinels or leman russes. They lose their doctrine if they do. They only non Militarum Tempestus units Scion detachments can have are from the Advisors and Auxillia list.

If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed. 
   
 
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