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Ok so why can ogyrns be taken in transports, yes they take up 3 spaces, but primaris marines can't and ogyrns are about 2x the height of a primaris marine. Also I mean standard transports so this excludes the repulosr.

 deotrims 16th wrote:
Ok so why can ogyrns be taken in transports, yes they take up 3 spaces, but primaris marines can't and ogyrns are about 2x the height of a primaris marine. Also I mean standard transports so this excludes the repulosr.

Because GW wants to force longstanding collectors of Space marines to buy Repulsors for their Primaris marines, because if you wouldn't need to most people would just use more Rhinos something which any veteran will have lying around if he ever played any kind of marine army.

I think that there's no fluff reason for this and that it's just an incentive to buy the Repulsor.

Ogryns are more friendly than Space Marines.
And they don't mind being crammed into the back of a truck if there is a promise of a scrap at the end of a short ride.

To sell crappy tanks no one would otherwise touch because they already own transports.

because it's not fitting into the repulsor that's the issue, it's the indomitus-pattern noogies the secundis marines receive when they get in. Every turn they'd have to be taking D3 mortal wounds just to keep up the realism!

Ogryns are lovingly packed into chimeras and given delicious snacks while inside.

xlDuke wrote:
I think that there's no fluff reason for this and that it's just an incentive to buy the Repulsor.

What I've heard the fluff explanation is that Primaris armor uses different charging ports from literally everything else in the imperium.

The Newman wrote:

xlDuke wrote:
I think that there's no fluff reason for this and that it's just an incentive to buy the Repulsor.

What I've heard the fluff explanation is that Primaris armor uses different charging ports from literally everything else in the imperium.

That makes no sense at all.

pm713 wrote:
That makes no sense at all.

Nor do GW rules. Hence this thread.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Ogryns are more friendly than Space Marines.
And they don't mind being crammed into the back of a truck if there is a promise of a scrap at the end of a short ride.

Actually most ogryns have acute claustrophobia, but their desire to make The Emperor happy (by piling into a scary dark chimera to go smash some heretics) exceeds their fear, especially when the nice man with the fancy hat checks under the seats to make sure there are no monsters before the ogryns alight.

If you're looking for a serious answer, I don't think the models are always on scale with each other, and the discrepancy there may account for the difference.

The charge-port issue seems like a reasonable possibility. They're relatively new, so there might be some compatibility issues with their equipment. As mundane as that is, it's probably the most realistic answer.

 Jimsolo wrote:
If you're looking for a serious answer, I don't think the models are always on scale with each other, and the discrepancy there may account for the difference.

The charge-port issue seems like a reasonable possibility. They're relatively new, so there might be some compatibility issues with their equipment. As mundane as that is, it's probably the most realistic answer.

Whilst plausible you have to bear in mind the power source for SM and Primaris armour is effectively a portable plasma based reactor. It isn't a mobile phone which needs charging regularly and is designed to operate over protracted periods of time.

I agree that the decision not to allow Primaris to use STC transports such as the R1HN0 is for the purpose of shifting Repulsives and that God awful Star Destroyer wannabe FW produce.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
If you're looking for a serious answer, I don't think the models are always on scale with each other, and the discrepancy there may account for the difference.

The charge-port issue seems like a reasonable possibility. They're relatively new, so there might be some compatibility issues with their equipment. As mundane as that is, it's probably the most realistic answer.

Whilst plausible you have to bear in mind the power source for SM and Primaris armour is effectively a portable plasma based reactor. It isn't a mobile phone which needs charging regularly and is designed to operate over protracted periods of time.

I agree that the decision not to allow Primaris to use STC transports such as the R1HN0 is for the purpose of shifting Repulsives and that God awful Star Destroyer wannabe FW produce.

That plasma reactor needs fuel, and most plasma is stuff you very much do not want leaking out of it's container.

I'd also argue that "it's to move Repulsors" doesn't entirely make sense. What's the big complaint about most tanks? You can pen them in with infantry and even if that fails they still can't shoot after driving out of melee. Fly completely removes both issues and the Repulsor actually has a pretty good spread of short range guns *. I think GW would actually sell more of them if they could carry more dangerous units.

It would also help if more people realized that all the bits on the rear quarter panels are entirely optional, and that if you want you can pretty easily put the Onslaught cannon on the mounting point for the optional Heavy Stubber to clean the outline up even further.

(* Think about it, the most sensible main loadout for the Repulsor is effectively a Twin Lascannon, a Hurricane Bolter, and the Heavy Onslaught cannon, which is a hybrid of the two most common Land Raider armaments so it's not stuck being all dakka or all AP, and it can be swung in either direction if you want to. And that's before the extra Stubbers, Onslaught Cannon, and grenade launchers.)

The most funny thing to me about this is that its pretty dumb to put ogryns in most transports, as its easier to kill an ogryn by blowing up the ride its in that shooting it.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
The most funny thing to me about this is that its pretty dumb to put ogryns in most transports, as its easier to kill an ogryn by blowing up the ride its in that shooting it.

This is a true statement, Orguns are remarkably hard to kill.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
The most funny thing to me about this is that its pretty dumb to put ogryns in most transports, as its easier to kill an ogryn by blowing up the ride its in that shooting it.

Exception to the rule, throw em out of a valkyrie.

What happened to the rule that Ogyrns could only start the game loaded in transports, and couldn't enter them during the battle becasue they needed significant persuation to get in?

 Kroem wrote:
What happened to the rule that Ogyrns could only start the game loaded in transports, and couldn't enter them during the battle becasue they needed significant persuation to get in?

8th ed.

pm713 wrote:

The Newman wrote:

xlDuke wrote:
I think that there's no fluff reason for this and that it's just an incentive to buy the Repulsor.

What I've heard the fluff explanation is that Primaris armor uses different charging ports from literally everything else in the imperium.

That makes no sense at all.

Primaris are the Apple of the 42nd Millennium.

Which is yet another reason why they are disliked...

 Dysartes wrote:

pm713 wrote:

The Newman wrote:

xlDuke wrote:
I think that there's no fluff reason for this and that it's just an incentive to buy the Repulsor.

What I've heard the fluff explanation is that Primaris armor uses different charging ports from literally everything else in the imperium.

That makes no sense at all.

Primaris are the Apple of the 42nd Millennium.

Which is yet another reason why they are disliked...

Oldmarines use miniUSB ports. Primaris use lightning ports.

Basically, it's GW fethery. I've been ignoring it for my own (home) games and there's no game issues at all allowing Primaris/Oldmarine cross-loading transports, even when counting Primaris as 1 models vs. 2 (so, 10 in a Rhino).