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Does the mass hypnosis GSC overide counter-offensive? I know Nid Paroxysm is not overwritten by it.

 Niiai wrote:
Does the mass hypnosis GSC overide counter-offensive? I know Nid Paroxysm is not overwritten by it.

Q: How is the Mass Hypnosis psychic power resolved against enemy units that have an ability such as Quicksilver Swiftness, which allows them to always fight first (excluding as a result of making a charge move this turn)?
A: Whilst the psychic power is in effect, such units are treated as if they do not have that ability, are not required to fight last and have not charged (although the controlling player must still subtract 1 from that unit’s hit rolls).

However that's only in one of the FAQs. GW are incompetent to a degree I never thought imaginable. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/772038.page

Wow. You are really prepared to die on that hill, aren't you, BCB?

You’d think one thread lock would be enough, but nooo let’s mention it in every thread... not to mention GW have clarified which is which and updated all links to remove the draft one.

Can somebody reply to the topic?

 Niiai wrote:
Can somebody reply to the topic?

One of the FAQ's says:

Q: How is the Mass Hypnosis psychic power resolved against enemy units that have an ability such as Quicksilver Swiftness, which allows them to always fight first (excluding as a result of making a charge move this turn)?
A: Whilst the psychic power is in effect, such units are treated as if they do not have that ability, are not required to fight last and have not charged (although the controlling player must still subtract 1 from that unit’s hit rolls).

That is not the wording of counter-offensive though. The wording of mass hypnosis is close to the woridning of paroxysmn making me belive it can overide.

Looking through the rulebook FAQ I can't see anything about this interaction in there. The problem is, yet again, GW's insistence on removing universal rules and having every unit and ability have its own unique special rules. Counter-offensive isn't an "always strikes first" ability like Quicksilver Swiftness so I'm not sure how the two would interact, but I'd have thought this question would have been answered before for similar abilities.

In the absence of such an answer I think the interaction may currently be undefined.

Slipspace wrote:
Looking through the rulebook FAQ I can't see anything about this interaction in there. The problem is, yet again, GW's insistence on removing universal rules and having every unit and ability have its own unique special rules. Counter-offensive isn't an "always strikes first" ability like Quicksilver Swiftness so I'm not sure how the two would interact, but I'd have thought this question would have been answered before for similar abilities.

In the absence of such an answer I think the interaction may currently be undefined.

With these sorts of abilities if there isn't a clear priority, there are two options:

They happen simultaneously, and therefore are resolved with sequencing (active player goes first).

If the interaction isn't that simple, and truly is undefined, then it's roll off.

Q: How is the Mass Hypnosis psychic power resolved against enemy units that have an ability such as Quicksilver Swiftness, which allows them to always fight first (excluding as a result of making a charge move this turn)?
A: Whilst the psychic power is in effect, such units are treated as if they do not have that ability, are not required to fight last and have not charged (although the controlling player must still subtract 1 from that unit’s hit rolls).

Is this not just the same as the wording in the original Nid Paroxysmn power? And that onr got FAQed to overide counter offensive in the nid FAQ. Can we then asume this one does as well?

 Niiai wrote:
Q: How is the Mass Hypnosis psychic power resolved against enemy units that have an ability such as Quicksilver Swiftness, which allows them to always fight first (excluding as a result of making a charge move this turn)?
A: Whilst the psychic power is in effect, such units are treated as if they do not have that ability, are not required to fight last and have not charged (although the controlling player must still subtract 1 from that unit’s hit rolls).

Is this not just the same as the wording in the original Nid Paroxysmn power? And that onr got FAQed to overide counter offensive in the nid FAQ. Can we then asume this one does as well?

Tough question.

Strictly speaking, no. GW FAQs often alter rules, not just clarify them. So we can't be sure if this FAQ was an alteration or a clarification.

That said, in the absence of other information, it is an indication of intention - but not proof.