Can you use smoke launchers in the opponents shooting phase ?

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**A Town Called Malus**

The smoke launcher rule should never have made it to print with the wording "the shooting phase" if it were not meant to be used in either players phase. If that was their intention then this is another great example of GW's rules writing being utter rubbish, it is literally a one word sub (switch "the" with "your").

They even use "your next shooting phase" later in the rule, for goodness sake.

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Hanskrampf wrote:
Galef wrote:
Not to add fuel to this dumpster fire, but the rules for Smoke launchers does say "Once per game, instead of shooting any weapons in THE Shooting phase, this model can use it's smoke launchers...."

It doesn't say YOUR Shooting phase, so permission could be said to be given.
The only problem is "when" can you do this? I would argue that since it is your opponents turn, per Sequencing, they can choose the order in which this is resolved.
Ergo, they choose to resolve ALL their shooting first, then allow you to pop your Smoke Launchers

So while you can certainly argue that you can 100% use Smoke Launchers in your opponents turn, what would be the point?

Having said that, I would be fine if GW FAQ'd this to be allowed (before your opponent's shooting) because it's a once per game ability that right now is pretty useless because it stops you from shooting in your turn. If Smoke gave you -1 to hit instead, Smoke would be useful.
But giving up your shooting entirely to give a -1 to your opponent is NOT a fair trade.

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How would you be able to select one of your units in the enemy Shooting Phase?
Step 1 of the Shooting Phase sequence defines that it has to be your Shooting Phase to select one of your units to shoot with.

Where in the rules for smoke launchers does it state that you must select the model to shoot with in order to activate the ability?

**A Town Called Malus**

Hanskrampf wrote:

And before you can shoot (or substitute shooting) you need to select a viable unit.

"1. Choose Unit to Shoot With
In your Shooting phase you can shoot
with models armed with ranged weapons.
First, you must pick one of your units
to shoot with."

Except we don't because the FAQ states that a unit which cannot shoot can still use abilities which replace shooting.

A Rhino with no guns (therefore not viable to shoot with as per the rules "In your Shooting phase you can shoot
with models armed with ranged weapons.") could still use its smoke launchers as the ability to shoot is not required, as per the FAQ.

**A Town Called Malus**

JohnnyHell wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
Incorrect. there is nothing in the rules to even suggest this.
There is also nothing in the rules that suggests you must use Smoke Launchers in your own shooting phase.

On the contrary, the rules do very much suggest it. Surely your ‘point’ (such as it is) is that they don’t outright state it?

Actually, the context of the rules would indicate that you are allowed. Since changing "the shooting phase" to "your shooting phase" would limit the rule to your shooting phase, the deliberate use of "the shooting phase", which does not have that restriction, would indicate there is no restriction nor any intention of that restriction. This is supported by their use of "your next shooting phase" in the second sentence of the rule. They understand that using "the shooting phase" refers to either players shooting phase and so made sure that the ability would last until your next shooting phase with the wording in the second sentence, regardless of when the ability was used.

Of course the alternative is that GW rules team is terrible and they should fire their rules editor for letting this slip through when they literally needed to change a single word to make the RAW match up with their intention.