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So I have a few conversions and models I'd really like to put to use, but every time I try to fit a list together my head starts to hurt. Either I have too little CPs, too many units/not enough in detachments, or the list starts to use less of the units I want to field and more of units I'd rather take less of.

I mainly want to put the force together because I want to paint my conversions and model some of my favorite kits, but I'd also like for it to be fun for my opponent and I when I field it.

So here are the models I want to fit in, followed by how many/why I want to field.

CSM
Daemon Prince - I have a really sweet Orruk Megaboss conversion that uses quite a few Khornite pieces. This needs to be in.
Helbrutes/Maulerfiends - I need to take 3 of one of those to fill out either a spearhead or vanguard detachment. I would prefer the Maulerfiends, but they're almost 100 points more expensive. But, the Helbrutes would gain access to the Renegade Legion trait, while the Maulerfiends would not. One of the two sets is a must, because they're an important part of my monster-mash theme.
Cultists - I really don't want to use these, but if I did they'd have to be CCW models because all I have are Khorne Reavers I kitbashed with pistols.

Daemons
Skarbrand - I have him, I love him, I need him. Must be in.
Bloodthirsters - I have two and would like to run both. I really love BTs and am going for a monster-mash list. They aren't built though, so they can be any of the variants. Preferably IR.
Bloodcrushers - These are some of my favorite models in the game, so I'd like to run as many as I can. To me, the Juggernauts are what I'd bring as troops if I could. They'd be perfect troops next to Maulerfiends!
Bloodletters - I am willing to use these to fill out points/detachments, but I know they won't be that useful if I don't take a lot because all the enemy's anti infantry weapons will just clear these out right away. And if I try to cover camp them to gnab objectives and keep them away from the AI guns, they will be even less effective because they can't shoot things.

As you can see, a major part of my problem is that I'm stubborn. I want the big things, but I also want the Bloodcrushers. I want to fit in all the big stuff, but really don't want to compromise with the little stuff. I want a list that's built around unoptimized choices, but I want it to play like it's not.

I need help, DAKKA. You guys have always had solid input in the past, and I really need some now.

edit: this is as close as i could get to a workable list that fits everything in I want..

1994 - 5CP (effectively none, or 2)

CSM - Vanguard Detachment (Renegades)
Daemon Prince: Daemonic Axe, Mark of Khorne
Helbrute: Helbrute fist, Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne
Helbrute: Helbrute fist, Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne
Helbrute: Helbrute fist, Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne

Daemons - Vanguard Detachment (Khorne)
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage: Great axe of Khorne
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage: Great axe of Khorne
Bloodcrushers x3: Instrument of Chaos
Bloodcrushers x3: Instrument of Chaos
Bloodcrushers x3: Instrument of Chaos

Daemons - Patrol Detachment (Khorne)
Skarbrand
Bloodletters x30: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

..i'm somewhat happy with that even if I would like larger units of bloodcrushers. what do you guys think?

Hey man, I like the idea of the list. Would definitely look good on the tabletop. Plus monster mash is the by far the best way to run Bloodthirsters imo.

The lack of CP in this list will hurt it though and you have the same problem we all have, too many cool models, too few points! So you should have at least 1 battalion, the double fist helbrutes are a great idea. Although you should really run them with 2x combi bolters, 4 points will get you lots of chaff clearing (nothing worse than running skarbrand into guardsmen rather than that sweet shadowsword).

Also 2x bloodthirsters and skarbrand seem to be the point of the list. So they've gotta stay. So really you're left with a choice of crushers or CP. If you wanted you could run some bezerkers if you're running world eaters. There's some new one om the way. Or 3x10 cultists or (my choice) 2x 20 bloodletters and 1 x 10.

Thanks, man.

The Bloodletter/combi-bolter suggestions would put me at 2k and 9CP on the nose after removing a unit of Bloodcrushers. I'd just need 30 more Bloodletters (or see if people would let me field mixed units of Reavers/Letters as full units of Letters till I decide). I wanted to try and stay away from CSM since my main army is an IW/RN melee/shoot list, so I think the Bloodletters are the direction I'll take. And I'd still get to field bloodcrushers.

edit: something like this..

2000 - 9CP (6 or less)

Renegade Vanguard
Daemon Prince: Mark of Khorne, Daemonic axe
Helbrute: Mark of Khorne, Helbrute Fist x2, Combi-bolter x2
Helbrute: Mark of Khorne, Helbrute Fist x2, Combi-bolter x2
Helbrute: Mark of Khorne, Helbrute Fist x2, Combi-bolter x2

Daemon Battalion
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage
Skarbrand
Bloodletters x30: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos
Bloodletters x13: Instrument of Chaos
Bloodletters x13: Instrument of Chaos
Bloodcrushers x5: Instrument of Chaos

Sounds good to me if you deepstrike those bloodletters blobs and pay for banner of blood x2 and maybe 1 relic (armour of scorn is really good on a bloodthirster warlor with oblivious to pain can make a fairly tough Warlord). You'll still have 4 CP which you can work with well!

Right right. I'll definitely try it all three ways since I basically have the models (30, 20/20/10, 30/13/13).

Thank you so much for the suggestions. An outside perspective helps me get out of my head.

No problem mate, hope it's as fun to play as it sounds!

I just had a fething brain explosion...

So my custom DP is made from the AoS Megaboss kit... What if I converted Khorgoraths into Orruks to use as Helbrutes, Goregruntas as Skullcrushers, Ard'boys as Bloodletters and convert all three Bloodthirsters with bits from the Megaboss on Mawcrusha...

I started it with the DP a few years back, but back then it was a Khorne themed Ironjawz army (and the DP was a MB). I thought the project was dead, but I can just flip it on it's head and make it an Orruk themed Daemon army!

Oh man... I need to start planning out the conversions and check out the sprues and greenstuff situation.

That sounds fantastic! I always thought that they could have done more with Tuska in 8th ed and make a Khorne Ork army.

That DP looks great and I can really see some Khorgorath/meganobz conversations looking great!