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Let’s say a large number of debuffs puts a unit’s Leadership at negative two when calculated (e.g. Ld7 - 9 debuff = Ld-2.)

The unit then loses a model. And rolls a 5 for Morale. Is Ld-2 or Ld0 used for Morale tests?

I.e. Do they then lose:

5 Morale roll + 1 casualty - (Ld-2) = 8 models flee?

Or, 5 Morale roll + 1 casualty - (Ld0) = 6 models flee?

Thanks.

From the rulebook, "Modifying Characteristics" (emphasis mine)

Note that, regardless of the source, characteristics of ‘-’ can never be modified, and the Strength, Toughness and Leadership characteristics of a model can never be modified below 1.

Also note that you need to be clear on the difference between rules that modify the characteristic, and rules that modify the dice roll.

As stated above, the leadership even if debuffs equal -1,000, will still be 1. So he would roll and lose however many models based upon the roll

so in effect no matter what the Ld modifier is you can't lose more than 1d6 to morale?

leopard wrote:
so in effect no matter what the Ld modifier is you can't lose more than 1d6 to morale?

Where did you get that idea? You (essentially, yes it's a shortcut I know I am a bad man I will spank myself later) lose D6+Slain-Ld models. If you're Ld1, 5 models Slain and roll a 6, you're losing 6+5-1=10 models. If you're Ld7, 1 model Slain and roll a 6, you're losing 6+1-7=0 models.

EDIT : BCB was faster.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

leopard wrote:
so in effect no matter what the Ld modifier is you can't lose more than 1d6 to morale?

Where did you get that idea? You (essentially, yes it's a shortcut I know I am a bad man I will spank myself later) lose D6+Slain-Ld models. If you're Ld1, 5 models Slain and roll a 6, you're losing 6+5-1=10 models. If you're Ld7, 1 model Slain and roll a 6, you're losing 6+1-7=0 models.

case of typing before thinking there, thats how someone was playing it around here

*hangs head in shame*