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So say start of a battle round my da puts minus one to hit from his prayer on a unit of csm. Then in my movement phase drop redcorsairs strat to bring them back on full strength. When they come on are they still under the effect of the prayer?

 Latro_ wrote:
So say start of a battle round my da puts minus one to hit from his prayer on a unit of csm. Then in my movement phase drop redcorsairs strat to bring them back on full strength. When they come on are they still under the effect of the prayer?

According to RAW, well the german one, so take with a grain of salt, the unit is still the same, even after redeployment.
So yes imo.

From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

well then i am wrong.

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

A prayer isnt a persistent effect. A prayer takes effect until the end of the battle round. Yes, the prayer still works.

 p5freak wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

A prayer isnt a persistent effect. A prayer takes effect until the end of the battle round. Yes, the prayer still works.

Spoiler:

A persistent effect is one that lasts for a length of time, rather than momentary.

 p5freak wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

A prayer isnt a persistent effect. A prayer takes effect until the end of the battle round. Yes, the prayer still works.

You're confusing 'persistent' with 'permanent'. The effect of the prayers isn't instantaneous, but persists for a set duration according to the rules of each individual prayer. Therefore they are indeed 'persistent effects' and are subject to the FAQ I quoted.

 p5freak wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

A prayer isnt a persistent effect. A prayer takes effect until the end of the battle round. Yes, the prayer still works.

Spoiler:

The prayer persists until the end of the battle round. No, the prayer doesn't still work.

 Stux wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?

A: No.

A prayer isnt a persistent effect. A prayer takes effect until the end of the battle round. Yes, the prayer still works.

Spoiler:

A persistent effect is one that lasts for a length of time, rather than momentary.

So, how long is a persistent effect, and how long is a momentary effect ? Both words are not defined by the rules.

A persistent effect last as long as the rules say it lasts just like a momentary or instantaneous one does.

 p5freak wrote:
So, how long is a persistent effect, and how long is a momentary effect ? Both words are not defined by the rules.

The English Language defines it, the same way that it defines what it means to "roll" a dice.

What they said. A persistent effect lasts for a duration defined by the effect that is longer than "instantaneous".It could be permanent if it is described that way, or could be a turn, a phase or whatever. Instantaneous ones would be the same as momentary - apply the results according to the power, then the ability/power/whatever is done.

So, it doesnt matter if its for just one dice roll or the end of the battle ? Both are persistent effects ? I dont think its that simple. The german translation for persistent is more like permanent, less like momentary. Which, to me, means to end of the battle. To the end of the turn, phase, battle round would be more like momentary or temporary.

 p5freak wrote:
So, it doesnt matter if its for just one dice roll or the end of the battle ? Both are persistent effects ? I dont think its that simple. The german translation for persistent is more like permanent, less like momentary. Which, to me, means to end of the battle. To the end of the turn, phase, battle round would be more like momentary or temporary.

Given that the rules are first written in English, the English version takes primacy.

 p5freak wrote:
So, it doesnt matter if its for just one dice roll or the end of the battle ? Both are persistent effects ? I dont think its that simple. The german translation for persistent is more like permanent, less like momentary. Which, to me, means to end of the battle. To the end of the turn, phase, battle round would be more like momentary or temporary.

Have to agree with BCB here, a German interpretation has no relevance here.

Persistent literally means that it lasts for a period of time. Permanent is something completely different.

Agreed with BCB and Stux. The English definition of persistent would be what applies here.

Persistent would cover anything with a duration.

In this specific case it doesn't matter because the CSM unit in question is not targeted by the prayer. This prayer is like an aura so if you use the strat and bring back the CSM unit outside of 6" it doesn't work but you only check this ability in the fight phase so if they are in the aura area in the fight phase the ability works regardless of what happened to the unit beforehand

 Nithaniel wrote:
In this specific case it doesn't matter because the CSM unit in question is not targeted by the prayer. This prayer is like an aura so if you use the strat and bring back the CSM unit outside of 6" it doesn't work but you only check this ability in the fight phase so if they are in the aura area in the fight phase the ability works regardless of what happened to the unit beforehand

You're thinking of the wrong prayer. The OP was referring to the Benediction of Darkness, which targets a specific unit within 6" and causes enemies to be at -1 to hit them until the end of the battle round.

yeah sorry, I was going off the one P5freak spoilered. The -1 to hit one won't work