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So, while scanning for Drukhari (DE at the time) paint schemes, I found this awesome looking turquoise scheme. Took a while of testing and stripping models until I found the right combination. But, I did find it and have started painting them that way. When I started painting my Craftworlds (Eldar at the time) back in 7th, I had decided on Ulthwe because of the awesome color scheme.

Well, getting back into painting my Eldar, I found the Mymeara which would look very similar to my Drukhari and may very well work out for the best as they are both meant to be part of a Ynnari army.

So, here’s my rule question... since GW and/or ITC has states that different battalions should be painted different colors so that the opponent can easily tell them apart, would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments because while slightly different shades of turquoise, both my Craftworlds and Drukhari armies would have very similar colors... and since they have to be in separate battalions, it could make it difficult for a player who doesn’t easily know the difference between Craftworlds and Drukhari?

Thanks in advance

SG

I believe the intention is more for same-faction models to be easily identifiable.

For example, purple marines and... gold marines? If you had a detachment of purple marines using Ultramaroon Chapter tactics, and gold marines using White Scaurum chapter tactics, it would be easy to know which models had which rules.

 greatbigtree wrote:
I believe the intention is more for same-faction models to be easily identifiable.

For example, purple marines and... gold marines? If you had a detachment of purple marines using Ultramaroon Chapter tactics, and gold marines using White Scaurum chapter tactics, it would be easy to know which models had which rules.

That is not rules however.

The rules do not care what color your marines are.

You can paint them whatever color you want and it will not have any affect on the rules for the models.

O.P. Paint them however you want. it is all gravy.

However, you asked "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments because while slightly different shades of turquoise". The answer to that is: Ask the Event organizer. They are the only ones that can give you answers for their tournament. No one else is able to answer that for you.

P.S. asking us "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments" is a bit like asking "How long is a piece of string" No one answer will fit every given situation...

 DeathReaper wrote:

You can paint them whatever color you want and it will not have any affect on the rules for the models.

However if they cannot be clearly identified opponent can easily claim they have no clan/chapter/whatever rule.

Ergo SOME separation should be had. Different colours for base edges or something at least.

tneva82 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

You can paint them whatever color you want and it will not have any affect on the rules for the models.

However if they cannot be clearly identified opponent can easily claim they have no clan/chapter/whatever rule.

This is of course not a rule, and has no basis in any rules whatsoever.

The rules do not cover paint at all. so to claim that " they have no clan/chapter/whatever rule." because " they cannot be clearly identified" is nonsense.

Ergo SOME separation should be had. Different colours for base edges or something at least.

Most people will separate somehow, but they literally do not have to as per RAW.

tneva82 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

You can paint them whatever color you want and it will not have any affect on the rules for the models.

However if they cannot be clearly identified opponent can easily claim they have no clan/chapter/whatever rule.

Ergo SOME separation should be had. Different colours for base edges or something at least.

You mean like having Drukhari in one detachment and Craftworlds in a different detachment? Shouldn't need a different paint scheme for that.

The rules do not require you to have a specific paintjob. You're free to do whatever you wish paintwise.

They have custom keyword with the perk of choosing a trait from a named one to help represent a different craft world not included in the book. This is even stated in the Tau codex and I would assume every other codex as well. I would say you couldn't use the data cards. As I don't think they specify adding custom keywords to strategems.

TheBoy wrote:
They have custom keyword with the perk of choosing a trait from a named one to help represent a different craft world not included in the book. This is even stated in the Tau codex and I would assume every other codex as well. I would say you couldn't use the data cards. As I don't think they specify adding custom keywords to strategems.

You should never pick a custom keyword because it offers no benefits. You lose Named Characters and the ability to use some stratagems.

Whatever your colour scheme, whatever your fluff, you should always pick one of the set subfactions on your army list, and can do regardless of paintjob or fluff.

OK, so I know there was a rule put in place not long ago (I don't think it was just a suggestion or guideline, but a rule) that said that separate detachments had to be different colors so that the opponent could tell them apart. In other words, don't take two Battalions of nearly identical Green Space Marines and call one Dark Angels and the other Blood Angels. That could easily confuse the player as to which Battalion is which.

Someone not familiar with the Aeldari could easily have the same problem. If they are fairly new to the game and at a tournament just to meet people and have fun, then they may have just finished painting their army and played only a handful of games. They may not have even had any time to read the fluff in the BRB much less the any of the Aeldari Codex or Index flluff or any of the Aeldari novels.

This is where I'm concerned. I'm going to attach some images to show you all what I mean. One is a Drukhari paint scheme which I'm all but copying (not going to be exact in weathering and the such, but the color basics will hopefully be about the same). And, one is a set of Craftworlds Mymeara Guardians. Someone who doesn't know Aeldari may not be able to easily tell them apart (as in which is Drukhari and which is Craftworlds). Since the Aeldari cannot be in the same Detachment, if I combine my models to make an Ynnari army (which may be a while off yet, but it is my end goal), the two detachments will look very similar. And, I'm concerned that I might be breaking that rule where detachments must be different colors so that an opponent can tell them apart.

If I'm mistaken, please let me know.

Thanks

SG

EDIT: If anyone is wondering why I'm obsessed with Turquoise, it's because it's one of my birthstones.

 ServiceGames wrote:
OK, so I know there was a rule put in place not long ago (I don't think it was just a suggestion or guideline, but a rule) that said that separate detachments had to be different colors so that the opponent could tell them apart. In other words, don't take two Battalions of nearly identical Green Space Marines and call one Dark Angels and the other Blood Angels. That could easily confuse the player as to which Battalion is which.

This was a GW (edit) Warhammer World Tournament House rule.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:
OK, so I know there was a rule put in place not long ago (I don't think it was just a suggestion or guideline, but a rule) that said that separate detachments had to be different colors so that the opponent could tell them apart. In other words, don't take two Battalions of nearly identical Green Space Marines and call one Dark Angels and the other Blood Angels. That could easily confuse the player as to which Battalion is which.

This was a GW Tournament House rule.

Specifically Warhammer World events and not any tournaments held where GW is in attendance (e.g. Adepticon or the Las Vegas Open).

 DeathReaper wrote:
P.S. asking us "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments" is a bit like asking "How long is a piece of string" No one answer will fit every given situation...

The same distance from the middle to both ends.

As has been noted, having different factions with similar paint jobs is A-O.k. , and helps to give a mixed faction force a sense of visual cohesion. Don’t worry about Craftworlds being confused with Drukhari. The models themselves indicate that they belong to different factions / sub factions.

There is no rule requiring models be painted, much less painted differently in “standard” 40k. Painting sub factions differently is a (mostly) widespread cultural norm. If you want vanilla Marine models to represent two different Chapter tactics, it is common practice to have some kind of visual identifier on the models. It could be completely different schemes, or just a common detail done consistently differently. For example, Ultramarine paint scheme, but the shoulder trim is yellow on some models, and red on others. All yellow-trim use X chapter trait, and all red-trim use Y Chapter trait. Different coloured bases (rims) is also a good way to do it, as changing that rim colour is easy without changing a model’s look.

Again, this isn’t a “rule” unless your gaming group / tournament requires it. It has become, in my anecdotal experience, a common practice.

Even for Warhammer World, there should be enough difference in shade between the two there where they're readily differentiated, so even WW shouldn't have any problems with it.

 deviantduck wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
P.S. asking us "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments" is a bit like asking "How long is a piece of string" No one answer will fit every given situation...

The same distance from the middle to both ends.

But that does not help, you still do not know how long the string is...
.

It is the entire length, though you could probably stretch it to make it a little longer, if you need to.

 greatbigtree wrote:
It is the entire length, though you could probably stretch it to make it a little longer, if you need to.

Sure, but How long is it? "The same distance from the middle to both ends." does not answer the question.

Just like no one can answer "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments" except for the event organizers.

So O.P. will need to ask the event organizers, as we can not give any valid answer to his question.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
It is the entire length, though you could probably stretch it to make it a little longer, if you need to.

Sure, but How long is it? "The same distance from the middle to both ends." does not answer the question.

Just like no one can answer "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments" except for the event organizers.

So O.P. will need to ask the event organizers, as we can not give any valid answer to his question.

You can give what you've experienced, or what you think is reasonable.

I agree that the FINAL SAY belongs to the event people, but we can help give them an idea of whether or not it's likely to be accepted.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
It is the entire length, though you could probably stretch it to make it a little longer, if you need to.

Sure, but How long is it? "The same distance from the middle to both ends." does not answer the question.

Just like no one can answer "would I be disqualified or not allowed to play at tournaments" except for the event organizers.

So O.P. will need to ask the event organizers, as we can not give any valid answer to his question.

A string is as long as you cut it to. Or the original length, if you don't cut it. Or, again, a bit longer if you stretch it. What would really frost your noodle is how long the string is if you curl it into a spiral.

(Hint, it's the same length, just a different shape.)

Question is answered.