What if a full scale Space marine vs Inquisition civil war occured

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**Delvarus Centurion**

If it was all the space marine chapters uniting together, then they'd demolish the inquisition. The inquisition would have to have the support of the administratum etc. to be able to win that war. Still if the whole Imperium was to go up against all the SM chapters to even stand a chance they'd need to be united not fighting against the myriad forces that are pitched against the Imperium so, the Inquisition wouldn't dare go up against them.

**Delvarus Centurion**

Engrenages wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Grey Knights don't exist so nobody is going to take their side and the few people who know of their existence aren't fond of them.
Marine chapters will not be limited to 1000 marines.
Salamanders are somehow packing 2000 Primaris marines.
Goodness knows with Black Templar.
Space Wolves have a more definite number of about 10000 strong - bigger than codex to begin with, decimated by the wrath of Magnus, buffered by Wulfen, buffered by 1000 Primaris Marines, buffered again by the return of a whole 30k era great company.

Well before the whole Wrath of Magnus thingy, Ragnar's Great Company (who was the biggest out of the thirteen) numbered 130/50-ish marines, so they wouldn't be able to field 10k marines.

No one knows their actual numbers, not their full numbers anyways but yeah its not even close to 10,000 and I'm a SW player.

**Delvarus Centurion**

pm713 wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Course not, neither group is unified. That's why it's a "what if" scenario.

Sure. But what does unification mean? Just as a unified fighting force? Marines obviously win by a significant margin in a straight-up fire-fight against Inquisitors.

The power of the Inquisition is their influence and the ability to requisition other imperial assets and fighting forces. But Marines, especially named ones, have that power too.

Inquisitor X against success-chapter-master-Y might "out-rank" him in Imperial string-pulling and win over him. Inquisitor X against, dunno, Dante might lose that same match up.

If all the Marines were unified and Calgar, Azrael, Dante & co. start calling in favours, would they end up commanding, say, the Officio Assassinorum in that "what if" scenario, or would the Inquisition? Who would get the alliance of the Navigators? The Guard? Etc....

You'd just end up with a split really. House Belisarius and others like them are going to go with the Space Marines but weaker houses would probably go with the Inquisition.

Some Guard are going to have more loyalty to local Marines than the far off Inquisition like those in Ultramar.

Assassins go with whoever forges the most paperwork.

More like 'all' guard will go against the Inquisition. The inquisition are their 2nd most common reason to die other than Orks etc.

**Delvarus Centurion**

Vaktathi wrote:
Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Course not, neither group is unified. That's why it's a "what if" scenario.

Sure. But what does unification mean? Just as a unified fighting force? Marines obviously win by a significant margin in a straight-up fire-fight against Inquisitors.

The power of the Inquisition is their influence and the ability to requisition other imperial assets and fighting forces. But Marines, especially named ones, have that power too.

Inquisitor X against success-chapter-master-Y might "out-rank" him in Imperial string-pulling and win over him. Inquisitor X against, dunno, Dante might lose that same match up.

If all the Marines were unified and Calgar, Azrael, Dante & co. start calling in favours, would they end up commanding, say, the Officio Assassinorum in that "what if" scenario, or would the Inquisition? Who would get the alliance of the Navigators? The Guard? Etc....

You'd just end up with a split really. House Belisarius and others like them are going to go with the Space Marines but weaker houses would probably go with the Inquisition.

Some Guard are going to have more loyalty to local Marines than the far off Inquisition like those in Ultramar.

Assassins go with whoever forges the most paperwork.

More like 'all' guard will go against the Inquisition. The inquisition are their 2nd most common reason to die other than Orks etc.
I cannot find any fluff about the Inquisition being a particularly relevant source of Guardsmen casualties, nor of them fighting against the Inquisition in any meaningful way. The Guard are also not independent, they rely upon the Imperial Navy and Munitorum for their supply and transport, and come from many different worlds, united only by the overarching administration of the Imperium, of which the Inquisition is the most direct and imposing aspect.

Are you kidding every time they fight daemons or if they are unlucky enough to fight beside GK's they are put to death by the Inquisition.

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Dakka Wolf wrote:
Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Engrenages wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Grey Knights don't exist so nobody is going to take their side and the few people who know of their existence aren't fond of them.
Marine chapters will not be limited to 1000 marines.
Salamanders are somehow packing 2000 Primaris marines.
Goodness knows with Black Templar.
Space Wolves have a more definite number of about 10000 strong - bigger than codex to begin with, decimated by the wrath of Magnus, buffered by Wulfen, buffered by 1000 Primaris Marines, buffered again by the return of a whole 30k era great company.

Well before the whole Wrath of Magnus thingy, Ragnar's Great Company (who was the biggest out of the thirteen) numbered 130/50-ish marines, so they wouldn't be able to field 10k marines.

No one knows their actual numbers, not their full numbers anyways but yeah its not even close to 10,000 and I'm a SW player.

I got Black Crusade and Indominus Crusade mixed up.
Read Ashes of Prospero - The Space Wolves currently have a whole 30k Great Company that they plucked out of a Warp trap, they are sitting at 10,000 Marines.

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Eldenfirefly wrote:
But those have generally been kept to just individual chapters going rogue. The biggest change to restricting the impact of a rogue space marine chapter has already occurred and that was when Gulliman forced all of the space marine legions to split into chapters.

The inquisitors know that while heresy can strike a chapter, it is usually limited to that one chapter. It is almost impossible for heresy to strike across all the chapters in the universe. I mean, there are so many ultramarine chapters out there. And most of them have always been loyalists. Not to mention other loyalist chapters. Why would one or even the entire inquisition collectively decide that suddenly all of these loyalist chapters have gone over to the heresy. No single action or event no matter how heretical would be able to justify this because it would likely to perpetuated by just one space marine chapter.

All the space marine chapters are independent anyway. So how could all of them simultaneously perform a heretical act that causes the entire inquisition to rule that all of the space marines are heretical ?

You could have Gulliman become the next Horus... That still wouldnt damn the entire space marine faction because not all of them throw in their lot with Gulliman. But it would sort of damn every single space marine chapter that got drawn into the Indomitus crusade. But well... why do a repeat of the Horus heresy? And are you guys sure you want Gulliman to turn into another Horus?

To be fair Baal managed to get all but one of the Blood Angels' successor chapters to come to its aid. If the BA turned rogue there is a fair chance its successor chapters would turn with it.

I have read it, they are not at full strength and their numbers aren't stated from what I remember.

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BrianDavion wrote:
Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Engrenages wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
Grey Knights don't exist so nobody is going to take their side and the few people who know of their existence aren't fond of them.
Marine chapters will not be limited to 1000 marines.
Salamanders are somehow packing 2000 Primaris marines.
Goodness knows with Black Templar.
Space Wolves have a more definite number of about 10000 strong - bigger than codex to begin with, decimated by the wrath of Magnus, buffered by Wulfen, buffered by 1000 Primaris Marines, buffered again by the return of a whole 30k era great company.

Well before the whole Wrath of Magnus thingy, Ragnar's Great Company (who was the biggest out of the thirteen) numbered 130/50-ish marines, so they wouldn't be able to field 10k marines.

No one knows their actual numbers, not their full numbers anyways but yeah its not even close to 10,000 and I'm a SW player.

using the known numbers of the various Great companies I'e estimated the Space Wolves at lying somewhere between 1500-2000 marines so big yes but not insanely unreasonably big. IMHO the novel Wolfsbane finally puts the final piece of the space wolf puzzle into place. The Space Wolves only divided once, and where left alone for it, not because Lemen Russ was somehow a bad ass, but because the Wolves got WRECKED during the heresy. Russ lost most of his legion in his, YOLO attack on Horus

Yeah but they were around for ages after the HH and before they were split in two so their numbers wouldn't have been anything like after the YOLO attack on the vengeful spirit.