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Does making an army of mostly LRBTs with some minor mechanized infantry make you “that guy” in a less competitive than tournament environment?

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I don't think so. There are many answers to LRBTs. Play the list you want.

All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand 
   
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 Apple Peel wrote:
Does making an army of mostly LRBTs with some minor mechanized infantry make you “that guy” in a less competitive than tournament environment?


Talk to your gaming store folk.

Some people with throw a fit. Some people will welcome the challenge. Some people will laugh and crush you.

We can't know-but you can! With the magic of CONVERSATION!

Note: Reading that, I realize it might come off as condescending. I assure you, I do not mean it that way, I'm just making a funny.

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Absolutely not. Sure, little Timmy's first marines army might have trouble, but literally any well constructed army should have tools to deal with Leman Russ tanks. If any infantry touches it, it can't shoot. It doesn't have an invulnerable save. Those two facts alone make it easily countered by many good players.
   
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Define mostly LRBT, how many IG are standing in front of them, because if it is around 30 or so, it shouldn''t be that bad, but if it is 80, then you kind of a have a IG tournament list only with tanks instead of a castellan, it is less efficient then the real thing , but sitll very good.
   
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San Jose, CA

Sounds perfectly fine to me. It probably would be fun to play against.
   
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Now what if I threw in a bane blade chassis (probably Stormlord) in a Supreme Command as well?

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 Apple Peel wrote:
Now what if I threw in a bane blade chassis (probably Stormlord) in a Supreme Command as well?


Baneblades tend to be worse than equivalent ounts of leman Russes. And Shadowsword are only really good at killing other shadowsw9rds. So your fine.
   
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I'd say any Baneblade variant is fine in a friendly game. I'd also say Knights are fine in friendly games too though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt I guess.
   
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Leman Russes supporting a baneblade or knight is fluffy, looks great on table and works in casual and semicomp.

Facing LOW is scary, but smart play can even the playing field.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
Leman Russes supporting a baneblade or knight is fluffy, looks great on table and works in casual and semicomp.

Facing LOW is scary, but smart play can even the playing field.

Agreed. I think it's a great thematic force and could make for a few interesting games. I'm not sure how many times it would take to get boring though. Anyway, stop asking strangers on the internet and go ask the actual friends you play with.
   
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What answer do you want to hear?
   
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If you beat someone with the list, they will call it That guyness.
If they beat you, they will call it a sucky list

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Malus Dei

I'd just like to applaud you cause once you're in combat you ain't ever shooting again with a list like that.

So I'd say nah

 
   
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 KingCorpus wrote:
I'd just like to applaud you cause once you're in combat you ain't ever shooting again with a list like that.

So I'd say nah


The baneblade still can tough?

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Karol wrote:
Define mostly LRBT, how many IG are standing in front of them, because if it is around 30 or so, it shouldn''t be that bad, but if it is 80, then you kind of a have a IG tournament list only with tanks instead of a castellan, it is less efficient then the real thing , but sitll very good.


Yep. This right here. the amount of screening is going to be HEAVILY indicative of how competitive your list is going to be, if your opponent is capable of reaching out and touching those tanks with melee, then they'll be far less hard to deal with than if they just get to fire uninterrupted for 3 turns while you grind out guard bodies.

   
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I agree with the statements about screening.
I play many casual lists that would be unable to destroy a bunch of T8 vehicles, but could still win the fight by engaging them in melee.
LRBTs have a real weakness here, and adding enough screen to compensate for it puts the list in another category.
   
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 Apple Peel wrote:
Does making an army of mostly LRBTs with some minor mechanized infantry make you “that guy” in a less competitive than tournament environment?


You're not going to go far with that list, so no, you're definitely not That Guy. Might want to consider dropping the Chimeras and just having your rifles on foot; the cost of the Chimerae can go to more rifles and more tanks.

My IG list has 3 TC's, one of each artillery, a Shadowsword, and about 70 riflemen on foot.



That Guy is the guy who brings whatever list won the last big tournament [assuming s/he also wasn't the one who won said tournament, in which case that's his/her list]. You're probably not That Guy. [Though there's a definite chance that someone you know [or you] is a different kind of That Guy if you feel compelled to ask the internet if your list is too strong].

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There's no one act that makes you TFG. An act makes you a TFG (or doesn't) based on circumstances and interactions with others.

Consider giving your opponent a candybar before the game. Aren't you nice. Certainly not TFG behavior, right?

Well, if you're giving it to them because you know they're diabetic, or dieting or alergic or whatever, and you want to piss them off or throw them off, then it's TFG behavior.

A single case where you used a list that walloped the other side isn't typically TFG behavior, so you could give it a try and see how it's received. I'd instead just keep upping the armor in my lists as long as my opponents enjoyed the game, until the point where people aren't enjoying it as much anymore, but as long as you react to the reception, a single mistake doesn't make you TFG.

Further, if you want to play a LRBT spam list with minor mech infantry support, that's entirely reasonable. If it's rough for your opponents to face, just don't optimize it as much (bad decisions on sponsons, etc).

I would note that most people like facing more well-rounded lists, so how powerful/weak that list is isn't 100% of the issue. To that end, it's that every target is a vehicle - win, lose or draw, some people won't enjoy facing that list. So, like Knight-spam lists, try not to shove said list down the throats of those who hate playing them. But, also like Knight-spam lists, if you want to do it do it - just try to not play people who won't like it.
   
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As Bharring says, it isn't TFG behavior unless you are doing it SPECIFICALLY to make your opponent have a bad time and refuse to make any kind of concessions (like de-optimizing weapon options)

It might also be TFG behavior if you have an all LRBT list AND an Infantry heavy list ready to go and as soon as you know your opponent is playing, say Deathwatch (which are notoriously good against Infantry yet struggle against vehicle heavy lists), you make the decision at that time to take the LRBT list.
Now, obviously if you choose the Infatnry heavy list your probably not going to have a good game either, so I wouldn't blame you for not taking that against DW if given the choice.

But what makes this a potential TFG situation is that you SPECIFICALLY brought a "Rock" list and a "Paper" list with the intent to decide which you would play once you found out if your opponent was bringing a "Scissor" list or not.
The best way to avoid this is to take balanced lists instead with elements that are Rock, others that are Paper and some that are Scissors.

Lists that can take all "Rock" or all "Scissor" units shouldn't exist for this reason. But they do, sadly

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I had a game once where I had a list with very little ranged AT, in a 2v2, and my ally did similar (unintentionally). We happened to go up against a pair that wanted to do LR spam. Our opponents weren't TFGs because they spammed armor, even though we were unprepared - sometimes that just happens.

(We did get thrashed. We only killed a single LR.)
   
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Charlotte, NC

I think 'That Guyness' is more of a case of mindset rather than list building. 'That Guy' assumes a look of smug satisfaction when he crushes a newcomer under the treads of his carefully ripped off netlist, or any list, for that matter.
A 'This Guy' may crush his opponent and then, once the dice are down, says to him- 'Thanks for the game; now, let me show you what I did, and give you some tips on how to counter it next time.'

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I personally don't think so. I have an army that's almost painted (no transfers yet) that consists of a Knight Crusader, Knight Gallant, and Knight Paladin with IG allies that consist of two LRBT Commanders as well as about 40 to 50 Guardsmen.

Now, I'm not a competitive player. I just like Knights. And, while I would rather pair them up with a small battalion of AdMech (yes, in some way paying homage to Duncan), I honestly don't have the money at the time to invest in the HQs and Troops needed to put that battalion together.

BUT, I already have the Guardsmen. I collected them a few years ago before I started dating the woman who would become my wife. And, those Guardsmen are mostly painted as well.

My goal when going to play at a local game shop is not to win... it's to have fun. If I do win, great. If I lose, great. I just want to have fun. Granted, losing all the time would make the game a bit on the not fun side, so I'd like to win maybe 50% of the time. But, I'm not overly concerned.

If I'm rollin dice, making jokes with my opponent, he/she's making jokes right back, we're talking about anything and everything... just enjoying the time while playing, then that's all I really care about.

While I *think* IK+IG would be looked at even more unfavorably by an opponent than IG, I don't think I'd be "that guy" as I think it has a lot more to do with attitude than what army you're running.

SG


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 CATACLYSMUS wrote:
I think 'That Guyness' is more of a case of mindset rather than list building.
Exactly my thoughts as well!

SG

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TFG can be seen in the listbuilding stage though in combination with behaviour.

Tourney comp list, going to stomp little timys new marine army?
TFG

Tourney comp level list between two veterans that compete with each other.
Not TFG.

Then there are varying spectres of it, like the WAAC guy that also cheats.
To the dude that complains as soon as he sees a Knight and leaves and tries to turn people away from you playing a Knight army f.e.

ETC.
Listbuilding itself is never TFG though.

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obviously depends on your local meta and player but I think you are safe. There are so many ways to deal with LRBT you should be fine.

Flyers -hit
knights
just touching a tank so it can't shoot
lack of invul saves

As long as people aren't bringing armies of just tac squads you should be fine
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:


Tourney comp list, going to stomp little timys new marine army?
TFG



This has happened to me, as the guy with the tourney comp list. Though to be fair, I posted on the facebook forums that I was looking for a 2k pts game, ITC rules, to prep for an upcoming tournament. Guy agreed, we set a time to meet, played a game, and it was just an utter one sided stomping because he brought a very non-competitive list. I don't THINK that's TFG behavior, since I clearly stated what kind of game I was looking for. I will always either post on the facebook group what type of game I'm looking for, or if I'm doing a pick up game, will ask them if they mind playing Knights + Guard. <trying> to avoid being TFG at least.
   
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IMO, whether or not you're TFG has nothing to do with your list. It is entirely a matter of attitude.

Are you genuinely interested in ensuring your opponent has fun too? If you can honestly and unequivocally answer "Yes!" to that question, then you're not TFG.

If you have to put loads of caveats in your answer, then you might be TFG.

If you think the question is absurd or you can't see the point of it, then you're defnitely TFG.

All TFG behaviour is a result of either not giving a damn whether your opponent is having fun, or actively wanting him/her to have less fun than you.

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 Horst wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:


Tourney comp list, going to stomp little timys new marine army?
TFG



This has happened to me, as the guy with the tourney comp list. Though to be fair, I posted on the facebook forums that I was looking for a 2k pts game, ITC rules, to prep for an upcoming tournament. Guy agreed, we set a time to meet, played a game, and it was just an utter one sided stomping because he brought a very non-competitive list. I don't THINK that's TFG behavior, since I clearly stated what kind of game I was looking for. I will always either post on the facebook group what type of game I'm looking for, or if I'm doing a pick up game, will ask them if they mind playing Knights + Guard. <trying> to avoid being TFG at least.


Yeah but the adendum is what counts.
I stated behaviour in conjunction.

And you warned before hand tournament practice. Therefore you are not behaving like a hawk just out to be the local pubstomper that basically needs easy pickings to get his rocks off.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Horst wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:


Tourney comp list, going to stomp little timys new marine army?
TFG



This has happened to me, as the guy with the tourney comp list. Though to be fair, I posted on the facebook forums that I was looking for a 2k pts game, ITC rules, to prep for an upcoming tournament. Guy agreed, we set a time to meet, played a game, and it was just an utter one sided stomping because he brought a very non-competitive list. I don't THINK that's TFG behavior, since I clearly stated what kind of game I was looking for. I will always either post on the facebook group what type of game I'm looking for, or if I'm doing a pick up game, will ask them if

they mind playing Knights + Guard. <trying> to avoid being TFG at least.


Yeah but the adendum is what counts.
I stated behaviour in conjunction.

And you warned before hand tournament practice. Therefore you are not behaving like a hawk just out to be the local pubstomper that basically needs easy pickings to get his rocks off.


Honestly the tourney players that actually regularly attend and win competitive events are not the problem players where I am.

A competitive player wants to be the best. A problem player just wants to win. The big difference tends to be the opponents they select amd the way they play - a competitive player basically never does anything he couldn't do at a tournament, and seeks out opponents most like what he will face at a tournament because those are the events he uses to prove that he is the best.

A problem player will actively avoid playing a competitive player and probably considers their lists unfair. They might cheat, try to manipulate the mission or their opponents list or tailor their list. They can't do that at a tournament but they will do it in a casual game when nobody is there to stop them.
   
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just expect somebody to complain about your list every now and again and usually not to your face but to other players.

spoiler alert it will be the same player who durring a game complains about all of the other players while you are playign against them.

second spoiler alert that same person will also complain if you brought the least powerful list possible and they wipe the floor with you the way they tell it it will be a battle against the odds where they pulled out a miraculous victory with thier sheer tactical genius, rugged good looks and boundless sex appeal. (note said person will also usually have a netlist and commission painted or unpainted models)

to normal player though a themed LR list is perfectly fine and not at all TFG

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