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quiet simple, the defend objective cards state you need to hold them for two turns.

if you hold an objective pre drawing the card, does it count towards turns held?

No. This has come up a bajillion times since 8th dropped. You didn’t have the card to start scoring it.

ravenfalls wrote:
quiet simple, the defend objective cards state you need to hold them for two turns.

if you hold an objective pre drawing the card, does it count towards turns held?

You check objectives at the end of each turn, not the start.

This came up in a game last night, please define 'turn'?

Is it two turns of mine, or one of mine and one of opponents?

This also applied to the Custodian stratagem in which you get one reroll per turn.

Probably completely obvious, but couldnt see anything last night.

Ta

 BaconCatBug wrote:
You check objectives at the end of each turn, not the start.

THE BATTLE ROUND
Warhammer 40,000 is played in
a series of battle rounds. During
each battle round, both players
have a turn.

Yes, its super obvious. If you hold an objective at the end of your turn, and you still hold it at the end of your opponents turn, you have scored defend objective X.

To answer your custodian stratagem question.

Q: If an ability does not state its effects take place in a ‘friendly’
phase or ‘enemy’ phase, does that mean it works in every such
phase (e.g. Mortarion’s Host of Plagues ability, which takes effect
‘at the start of the Fight phase’)?
A: Yes.

 AndrewC wrote:
This came up in a game last night, please define 'turn'?

Is it two turns of mine, or one of mine and one of opponents?

This also applied to the Custodian stratagem in which you get one reroll per turn.

Probably completely obvious, but couldnt see anything last night.

Ta

Turn is defined in the Rules. It’s a player turn. One turn each is a Battle Round.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
No. This has come up a bajillion times since 8th dropped. You didn’t have the card to start scoring it.

Sorry for resurrect this topic :( but i dont understand.

If i hold the objectiv marker 2 at the end of opponent turn, then start my turn, i draw "defend objective 2".
At the end of my turn i still hold the objectiv marker 2

At the end of every turn (yours and the enemy’s), you must check to see if you have achieved any of your active Tactical Objectives (Rules book p226)

Defend objective X say: "Score 2 victory points if you control objective marker X at the end of two consecutive turns."

So i have just to ask myself at the end of every turn: "do I control the objective marker X since two turns consecutive?"

and the answer is only "yes" imo.

i'm not cheating, just read the rules and applied RAW imo.

You said "You didn’t have the card to start scoring it"
But i didnt start to score it before...i'm scoring this card when i have it in my hand...i juste read the card, no more, no less....and i ask a simple question to myself.

The rules book never say: "You cant count previous turn to achieve a tactical objective".
You just need to have the card in the hand and do what the card is saying...
And at this point, i did what the "Defend" card is asking to do.
imo

It's a permissive ruleset, it would have to say that you can count previous turns to achieve a tactical objective. It doesn't say that, so you don't start counting until you have the card. It doesn't let you count it if you control it now and also the turn before you drew the card, like it doesn't count if you draw the card in turn 5 and you held the jobjective for two consecutive turns back in turn 1.

The "but the rules don't say I can't" isn't a winning argument.

EDIT: Also, it says you must control for two turns. It doesn't say you must have had controlled the objective for two turns. There's a difference.

I agree with the others. For me, it comes down to fair play. If I draw the card on my turn, and count my previous turns of holding the objective towards the fulfillment of the requirements, then my opponent has no chance to prevent me from gaining those VPs.

it doesnt say i can count previous turns

it doesnt say i cant count previous turns

imo, i just apply the rule:
Check you tactical objective card at the end of every turn and ask yourself for every card you have in your hand.
=> do you control this objective for two consecutive turn ? yes or no.

and for real, i see only "yes"

:/

maybe it is a bad writting....but its writting....thx to GW ?

 QuenthelBaenre wrote:
it doesnt say i can count previous turns

it doesnt say i cant count previous turns

imo, i just apply the rule:
Check you tactical objective card at the end of every turn and ask yourself for every card you have in your hand.
=> do you control this objective for two consecutive turn ? yes or no.

and for real, i see only "yes"

:/

maybe it is a bad writting....but its writting....thx to GW ?

Like I said, this is a permissive ruleset. "it doesn't say I can't count previous turns" isn't an excuse. You have to be told that you can. You haven't. The rules also don't say that I don't automatically win by sweeping your miniatures off the gameboard onto the ground and then stomp on them - does this mean that I do automatically win if I do that? No, the game would have to say that I do, not merely having a lack of saying that I don't.


The card doesn't say that you had to have had controlled the objective for two consecutive turns, which would suggest that you could apply past control. You are only told that you must control the objective for two turns. Since there is no permission to count previous turns, you only count turns once you have the card.

So, the actual answer to the question you ask is no, you don't control the objective for two turns right when you draw it, you have to control it now that you're told you have to control it.

 doctortom wrote:
It's a permissive ruleset, it would have to say that you can count previous turns to achieve a tactical objective. It doesn't say that, so you don't start counting until you have the card. It doesn't let you count it if you control it now and also the turn before you drew the card, like it doesn't count if you draw the card in turn 5 and you held the jobjective for two consecutive turns back in turn 1.

The "but the rules don't say I can't" isn't a winning argument.

EDIT: Also, it says you must control for two turns. It doesn't say you must have had controlled the objective for two turns. There's a difference.

This. Control =/= controlled. Start counting once its drawn. You're being told to start doing something, not have done something in the past. The language used is clear.

maybe its because i'm french and french langage is more "complicate".

doesnt mean english is poor or simple...but clear for english people.

french brain need to complicate everything maybe.


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@Baconcatbug

i would like to know how you rule this. In 200% RAW i mean.
It's not i dont trust over people, its just i like how you read rule and want to know what you think about it.

thank you everyone btw <3

It may be due to the French translation not reading the same as it does in English.