"That unit can move (and Advance if you wish)", does this include falling back?

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**Mattyt84**

Tyranids have a warlord trait Mind Eater:
(Each time the Warlord slays an enemy CHARACTER in the Fight phase, choose a friendly <HIVE FLEET> unit within 3". At the end of the phase, that unit can move (and Advance if you wish) as if it was your Movement phase.)
Does this ability allow you to fall back?
Also the wording "in the Fight phase", would this work in the opponents Fight phase?

**kastelen**

I believe that this would work.

**Stux**

Yes, when you move in the movement phase you can choose to fall back - so you can here too.

Yes, it doesn't specify which Fight Phase, so it works in both.

**BaconCatBug**

It all comes down to what "as if" means, because Falling Back explicitly states "Units starting the Movement phase within 1" of an enemy unit can either remain stationary or Fall Back." and moving "as if" it were the movement phase does not satisfy that rule. IMHO, you cannot fall back.

**JohnnyHell**

If it were the Movement Phase you could fall back. So you can. Obviously you can’t also Advance.

**BaconCatBug**

Thankfully GW just released the April FAQ and finally answered this once and for all!

BRB FAQ 1.4 wrote:Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power) outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks?
A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase.

Q: Are you able to Advance or Fall Back in a different phase when moving ‘as if it were the Movement phase’ through an ability, Relic, Stratagem etc.?
A: Unless stated otherwise, yes. Note that if you do Advance, and the unit has already Advanced this turn, you should roll the dice again to see how much further the unit moves (i.e. do not use the same roll made when the unit first Advanced this turn).

**DeathReaper**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Thankfully GW just released the April FAQ and finally answered this once and for all!

BRB FAQ 1.4 wrote:Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power) outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks?
A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase.

Q: Are you able to Advance or Fall Back in a different phase when moving ‘as if it were the Movement phase’ through an ability, Relic, Stratagem etc.?
A: Unless stated otherwise, yes. Note that if you do Advance, and the unit has already Advanced this turn, you should roll the dice again to see how much further the unit moves (i.e. do not use the same roll made when the unit first Advanced this turn).

And with that FAQ, they basically said that ‘as if' means 'Is' (save for stratagems)

Which was basically the only way to really play those rules and not break the game.