Raven Guard Chapter Tactic

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**CREEEEEEEEED**

I'm playing a game in a GW store, and I've been outvoted (including the manager so no argument) and now my chapter tactic is apparently always in cover instead of - 1 to hit beyond 12". I swear it is none of the FAQs and neither chapter approved. Am I right or is my army fethed? For the last few months at the uni wargaming society I've played it as - 1 to hit and no one has complained.

**skchsan**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I'm playing a game in a GW store, and I've been outvoted (including the manager so no argument) and now my chapter tactic is apparently always in cover instead of - 1 to hit beyond 12". I swear it is none of the FAQs and neither chapter approved. Am I right or is my army fethed? For the last few months at the uni wargaming society I've played it as - 1 to hit and no one has complained.

Uhhhhh they're right. And I believe it was in CA?

**kinginyello**

I believe there was a post by gw that the upcoming faq was going to change the -1 modifiers, but ultimately did not have it in there. So I believe it was discussed but never implemented.

**BaconCatBug**

The manager is either misinformed or lying. It was discussed by GW but never implemented. The most current rules for Space Marine Chapter Tactics (The Vanguard Boxset) states

Codex: Vanguard Space Marines Page 22 wrote:RAVEN GUARD: SHADOW MASTERS
Subtract 1 from hit rolls for attacks made by enemy units that shoot at units with this tactic if they are more than 12" away.

What did change is the Raven Guard stratagem, Strike from the Shadows, it changed to a pre-game move instead of pre-game deep strike. Politely ask them to provide a rules citation for where the Raven Guard rule got changed.

**Jackal444**

Raven Guard, Alpha Legion, Altaioc, and Stygies VIII are all still -1 to hit outside 12". There were rumors about changing it to cover, but those never showed up in any FAQ or CA. The only thing is that your specific stratagem is now a 9" pre-game move instead of a pre-turn-1 deepstrike.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Eh, I've been shouted (loud voice) down after producing the Shadowspear minidex. I'm playing against 2 tank commanders and pask at 800 points so it won't save me anyway.

**JohnnyHell**

Just... don’t play there.

**doctortom**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Eh, I've been shouted (loud voice) down after producing the Shadowspear minidex. I'm playing against 2 tank commanders and pask at 800 points so it won't save me anyway.

Have they produced any documentation to back up their shouting?

**BaconCatBug**

Sounds like a really crappy store if you ask me. Ask them to prove their assertions.

**JNAProductions**

Yeah, do you have any other stores you can play at? They sound like right jerks.

**Alex_85**

They should provide you what they mean. If they don`t, play as it is, -1 to Hit or leave.

**Tibs Ironblood**

Funny that a straight up GW store is not playing by the rules of their own game. It's not even a matter of it being a complicated rule that is open to interpretation. It's straight up just house ruling the game in the one place it should not be house ruled. I'd report the manager and go somewhere else.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Obviously I'm not gonna give anything away but I've been going there for years and I know the manager well, he's not a jerk, just a bit stressed with various things. Sorry if I gave that impression. I ended up sending a message to the FAQ email so they could potentially clarify it in future. Thanks for the confirmation, I'll continue playing it as it is at uni.

**puma713**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Eh, I've been shouted (loud voice) down

Wow, sounds like a fun game.

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Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Funny that a straight up GW store is not playing by the rules of their own game. It's not even a matter of it being a complicated rule that is open to interpretation.

It's funny how you find this. My brother went into his local GW today and they told him that Harlequins and Drukhari cannot be in the same army.

**BaconCatBug**

puma713 wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Eh, I've been shouted (loud voice) down

Wow, sounds like a fun game.

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Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Funny that a straight up GW store is not playing by the rules of their own game. It's not even a matter of it being a complicated rule that is open to interpretation.

It's funny how you find this. My brother went into his local GW today and they told him that Harlequins and Drukhari cannot be in the same army.

I mean, they can't be in the same detachment, perhaps that is what they meant?

**puma713**

BaconCatBug wrote:

I mean, they can't be in the same detachment, perhaps that is what they meant?

Hopefully. I would hope that the local representatives of the game would know the rules and, if they don't, aren't confrontational when they themselves are corrected.