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 Togusa wrote:
Son of a bitch.

I LITERALLY just bought the 5th edition book last week..

Going to be honest, bad call. They bolloxed up 5th pretty much completely. 6th is looking like an even bigger trainwreck, hilariously.

Shadowrun pretty much is a pick your poison of third or fourth, with a lean toward avoiding Catalyst as incompetent buffoons with no business with their hands on any game system.

balmong7 wrote:
I love cyberpunk settings and thought for years shadowrun was my only option. I literally bought a bunch of the 5th ed stuff a week before they announced 6th. At this point I'm just gonna wait for the cyberpunk RPG to drop so I can decide which suits me better.

Cyberpunk has fairly terrible mechanics. Which are largely a function of its age (some things seemed reasonable to try in the early days of RPGs (70s/80s), but turned out to be bad mechanics once people got better at analysis of game systems), and a lack of rule revision during its revised editions. Decisions that were fairly innocent attempts at problem solving when they were originally written up are cardinal sins of game design now.

And Cyberpunk is super lethal despite having long and tedious character creation, which makes for a fair amount of downtime.

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Shadowrun's heyday was 3rd (with a few exceptions, unfortunately one being character creation. And the matrix rules, buts that's unfortuantely true of every edition of Shadowrun) and 4th. Catalyst produces shovelware junk by self-promoted fanboys that don't really grasp the setting or the mechanics. The current Catalyst team and their... monstrosities... are best avoided.


I've never been a fan of GURPS myself, but I've seen folks argue fairly reasonably that GURPS Cyberpunk is better than either. And you can use all the setting books of either, while using a more coherent ruleset.

 Easy E wrote:
I thought character creation in 3rd was okay once you knew a bit about what you were doing.

The table of priorities I liked as you had to actually decided what mattered to you as a player the most.

Problem was, once you knew what you were doing, you could math out that some of the priorities were bad deals. Some of the races were worth negative points, others had terrible stat boosts that the game didn't really use, others were objectively better than buying attribute priorities, and doing skills wrong made your character objectively worse, since karma costs for leveling skills used a different system.

 warboss wrote:
So apparently official Shadowrun miniatures are a thing now and I just found out about it. I'd have loved something like this over a decade ago not so much now. In a world where you have home 3d printing and heroforge for completely custom minis and boutique scifi lines like Infinity for the truly professionally sculpted/cast showpiece figs, I'm not sure there is a big market for random scifi girl with big foam pizza platter effects (for magic or hacking effects?). Still, if anyone needs a troll with a mini-chaingun...

https://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Prime-Runner-Miniatures/dp/B07SNGYTTS

Now? Shadowrun minis were a thing decades ago. Ral Partha did the original line, and it was picked up by Iron Wind.

Reaper has some not-official-but-obviously-Shadowrun going back to at least 2011:
https://www.reapermini.com/miniatures/chronoscope+sci-fi/latest/50287

Troll with a mini-gun. Weird, right?