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So with the new changes to how 'as if it were' phases stuff works, does this mean I can 'Move, Move, Move', then embark (as if it were the movement phase)? (assuming my unit ends up close enough to a transport to do so, of course)

Get my infantry out of harms way and fire my chimera's lasguns afterwards! If I've only one guy left, 6 lasguns on a chimera is more effective than the 1 he carries.

 Kcalehc wrote:
So with the new changes to how 'as if it were' phases stuff works, does this mean I can 'Move, Move, Move', then embark (as if it were the movement phase)? (assuming my unit ends up close enough to a transport to do so, of course)

Get my infantry out of harms way and fire my chimera's lasguns afterwards! If I've only one guy left, 6 lasguns on a chimera is more effective than the 1 he carries.

Yes. GW say that with the exception of stratagems, if you act like a phase you can do everything that happens in that phase as though it was. That means you can Move! Move! Move! and them embark.

However the FAQ also says

Q: Can units embark inside a transport in a phase other than the Movement phase, such as when they are using the Fire and Fade Stratagem from Codex: Craftworlds, or when a unit performs a Soulburst action to move again?
A: No, unless the rule in question specifically states that the unit can embark inside a Transport.

So we have contradictory FAQs. Yay for good rules writing!

Actually, I think the FAQ is pretty clear that units can only embark in the movement phase unless a rule specifically says they can embark.

I'd say no.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Actually, I think the FAQ is pretty clear that units can only embark in the movement phase unless a rule specifically says they can embark.

I'd say no.

The FAQ literally says "With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’."

Move! Move! Move! says "Instead of shooting this phase the ordered unit immediately moves as if it were the Movement phase"

Embark states "Embark: If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a friendly transport in the Movement phase, they can embark within it."

Therefore, Move! Move! Move! allows you to embark.

This is the same situation as Dark Reapers hitting on a 3+ in Overwatch. The more specific FAQ takes precedence, so Dark Reapers don't hit on a 3+ in Overwatch and units can't emark outside of the Movement phase.

Might I suggest GW is thinking that when using Move! Move! Move! or other 'as if the Movement Phase abilities' it may be the unit's Movement Phase, but it isn't the Transport's Movement Phase. Therefore, you can't Embark.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Actually, I think the FAQ is pretty clear that units can only embark in the movement phase unless a rule specifically says they can embark.

I'd say no.

The FAQ literally says "With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’."

Move! Move! Move! says "Instead of shooting this phase the ordered unit immediately moves as if it were the Movement phase"

Embark states "Embark: If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a friendly transport in the Movement phase, they can embark within it."

Therefore, Move! Move! Move! allows you to embark.

To quote you, you have to apply all the rules not just the ones you want to.

Q: Can units embark inside a transport in a phase other than the Movement phase, such as when they are using the Fire and Fade Stratagem from Codex: Craftworlds, or when a unit performs a Soulburst action to move again?
A: No, unless the rule in question specifically states that the unit can embark inside a Transport.

This still exists in the Rulebook FAQ and therefore no, Move Move Move cannot let you Embark.

So we have an FAQ saying that ALL rules allow you to do so, and an FAQ saying you can't with some rules.

You cannot follow both FAQs without breaking one of them, thus contradictory answers. GW once again proven as incompetent. You cannot claim "more specific", because one of the FAQs explicitly states all rules except for stratagems.

Quit the “GW IS INCOMPETENT” distraction attempt.

When one rule says you can and another says you cannot, you cannot. It’s a line of argument you’ve often used so I’m struggling to see why you’re not following.

That's some poor logic, buddy. Lets say, for example, I told you I was allergic to shellfish and that I cannot eat anywhere that serves shellfish without dying. Later on, you ask where I wanna get dinner at, and I say "anywhere is fine". This doesn't mean that I suddenly stopped being allergic to shellfish and we can go to Red Lobster. You can make logical inferences here. If I'm ok eating anywhere and I am allergic to shellfish, the the logical step is "I'm ok with eating anywhere except someplace that serves shellfish."

Or, leaving the hypothetical behind, we have: "You treat it as the moving phase, in all ways except for Stratagems, except in the case of Embarking or Disembarking." You can combine these two FAQ, logically, and arrive at a satisfactory answer.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So we have an FAQ saying that ALL rules allow you to do so, and an FAQ saying you can't with some rules.

You cannot follow both FAQs without breaking one of them, thus contradictory answers. GW once again proven as incompetent. You cannot claim "more specific", because one of the FAQs explicitly states all rules except for stratagems.

Can not trumps can or must in a permissive ruleset.

As JohnnyHell has said, "It’s a line of argument you’ve often used so I’m struggling to see why you’re not following."

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So we have an FAQ saying that ALL rules allow you to do so, and an FAQ saying you can't with some rules.

You cannot follow both FAQs without breaking one of them, thus contradictory answers. GW once again proven as incompetent. You cannot claim "more specific", because one of the FAQs explicitly states all rules except for stratagems.

Can not trumps can or must in a permissive ruleset.

As JohnnyHell has said, "It’s a line of argument you’ve often used so I’m struggling to see why you’re not following."

Because the difference here is that you cannot follow both rules without breaking either. "With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’" is not optional, so it's not the same as having something saying (for example) you can shoot and can't shoot.

All rules apply.
Except this one.

No problem here... works like any other rule that ignores another rule.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So we have an FAQ saying that ALL rules allow you to do so, and an FAQ saying you can't with some rules.

You cannot follow both FAQs without breaking one of them, thus contradictory answers. GW once again proven as incompetent. You cannot claim "more specific", because one of the FAQs explicitly states all rules except for stratagems.

Can not trumps can or must in a permissive ruleset.

As JohnnyHell has said, "It’s a line of argument you’ve often used so I’m struggling to see why you’re not following."

Because the difference here is that you cannot follow both rules without breaking either. "With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’" is not optional, so it's not the same as having something saying (for example) you can shoot and can't shoot.

That happens with a lot of rules. rules are sometimes contradictory. Thus the Specific trumps general...

You follow the more specific rule. The rules says you can not, then you can not. It trumps the rule that says you must (or can) This is a permissive ruleset...

This is like arguing that Tau Sept can't work because the rules say that OW only hits on 6s, but Tau Sept says 5s or 6s. "But if I use Tau Sept, I'm breaking the rule that says I can only hit on 6s in Overwatch! I don't understand how to resolve this conundrum!"

Wow, this is the third contradictory FAQ answer We need FAQs for FAQs

interesting.
So harlies can not embark after a twilight pathways move ? Even before the FAQ i thought they could XD.
Good way to think of this confusing new FAQ though. I will remember specific outweighs non-specific. As twilight pathways is a strat (like fire and fade) they can not embark.

does this seem like I got this correct ?

Edit : I meant its a psychic power, for the psychic phase

So overall, the answer is: we're not sure as its not entirely clear.

I'll probably not try it then!

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Kcalehc wrote:
So with the new changes to how 'as if it were' phases stuff works, does this mean I can 'Move, Move, Move', then embark (as if it were the movement phase)? (assuming my unit ends up close enough to a transport to do so, of course)

Get my infantry out of harms way and fire my chimera's lasguns afterwards! If I've only one guy left, 6 lasguns on a chimera is more effective than the 1 he carries.

Yes. GW say that with the exception of stratagems, if you act like a phase you can do everything that happens in that phase as though it was. That means you can Move! Move! Move! and them embark.

However the FAQ also says

Q: Can units embark inside a transport in a phase other than the Movement phase, such as when they are using the Fire and Fade Stratagem from Codex: Craftworlds, or when a unit performs a Soulburst action to move again?
A: No, unless the rule in question specifically states that the unit can embark inside a Transport.

So we have contradictory FAQs. Yay for good rules writing!

Stop having a hate boner for GW, its pretty obvious that the more specific rule takes priority. Instead of listing every single time that "As if" works, they just said "ALL rules except X". That is a good way of writing rules, you set the norm, then you add exceptions.

Take MTG for example, its one of the game with the best rules definition and thats how they do it. The rule is X unless stated otherwise.