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I want to do the best or most competitive I should say CSM and Renegade Knight list possible.

Prolly at 15-2k points. I don't care if it's a trash idea, just as long as it's the best it can be possible.

I'd say wait for the renegade knight codex to drop befor you make any moves

that said, on the chaos marine side of things, do have have a legion preferance?

 The_Savior wrote:
I want to do the best or most competitive I should say CSM and Renegade Knight list possible.

Prolly at 15-2k points. I don't care if it's a trash idea, just as long as it's the best it can be possible.

Gotta make an easy assumption.
Renegade Knights will get Stratagems.
Ergo you need CP.
Point beeing that if you make a 2000 pts list we say about 1000 go into knights, that gives you 1000 pts for CSM.

I'd imagine you want CP so you pick Red Corsairs, field a cheap 3 CSM squad Battalion.

so we talk about 15 CSM atleast so195 pts in troops down. (probably you want to add either AC's or Reaper chaincannons, maybee even expand a squad to 20 for more where they came from.)
In choice of HQ: Well regular CSM powers are great, Huron Blackheart is also great, did we mention he can cast powers is tougher and generates bonus CP if he is a warlord? (Not to mention you get 2 relics for free since RC) so we can consider him easily.
Then there are Daemon princes, simply put forward a pair of claws, wings, warptime and you look with the genereic RC trait at a high possibility of charing something first turn.
Ok, you might want not to spend x ammount over 100 pts, not to worry, sorcerers have you covered, between warptime, deathhex, prescience, and other powers (5+++ , -1 to hit, etc.) they are good.
MoP, ok this depends alot, and i mean alot, IF there is going to be interaction with the knights (e.g. if they get daemon keywords) so probably leave out atm.
Lord discordants: ok there's an argument to be made, to field 1-2 of them even though they are somewhat pricey, basically if you field knights, you field firemagnets, a job normally ending up on the Lord discordants in regular CSM lists. They absolutely can ruin your enemies day.

So my suggesstion would be
Huron:
Daemonprince, talons, wings: Warptime deathhex

3x 5 CSM

Total so far a battalion for 8 CP 1for Huron: 500 pts

DP with talons and wings 180 pts.
Huron Blackheart: 125 PTS:

Troops:
5CSM 65pts
5CSM 65pts
5CSM 65pts

What you would now need is some kind of screen, either expand one squad to 20 memebers or get a squad of 30 Cultists with Autoguns.
Consider maybee now some Daemon engines, etc. but in stock i'd imagine this would be the battery for the Renegade Knights.

BrianDavion wrote:
that said, on the chaos marine side of things, do have have a legion preferance?

Nah just want a list lol

Here is what I am thinking of running once the Chaos Knights codex comes out. I had some points left over, so threw a ML on each CSM squad for a bit of flexibility. Also, I have NEVER used a Disco Lord (Usually play DG), so I am not sure if this is the most optimized way to kit them out, either way I think they are great at relieving pressure off of my Knights while also being quite the theoretical beat stick.

As for screening, I am planning on using my PBCs. They are tough and fast, and perfect for spreading around MWs with the explosion strat. I am not sure how good in practice this list will be, depends completely on if the new knight codex has enough good stratagems to utilize the 15 cp.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [30 PL, 3CP, 575pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion [3CP]: Red Corsairs

+ HQ +

Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL, 160pts]: Autocannon, Intoxicating Elixir, Mark of Slaanesh
. Helstalker: Techno-virus injector

Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL, 160pts]: Autocannon, Mark of Khorne, Reaver Lord, Talisman of Burning Blood, Warlord
. Helstalker: Techno-virus injector

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 85pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 85pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 85pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [33 PL, 600pts] ++

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: 4. Blades of Putrefaction, Malefic talon, Wings

+ Heavy Support +

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

++ Super-Heavy Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Renegade Knights) [43 PL, 825pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 172pts]
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons

Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 172pts]
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons

Renegade Knight [25 PL, 481pts]: Heavy stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer

++ Total: [106 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

DudleyGrim wrote:
Here is what I am thinking of running once the Chaos Knights codex comes out. I had some points left over, so threw a ML on each CSM squad for a bit of flexibility. Also, I have NEVER used a Disco Lord (Usually play DG), so I am not sure if this is the most optimized way to kit them out, either way I think they are great at relieving pressure off of my Knights while also being quite the theoretical beat stick.

As for screening, I am planning on using my PBCs. They are tough and fast, and perfect for spreading around MWs with the explosion strat. I am not sure how good in practice this list will be, depends completely on if the new knight codex has enough good stratagems to utilize the 15 cp.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [30 PL, 3CP, 575pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion [3CP]: Red Corsairs
How much is this money wise?
+ HQ +

Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL, 160pts]: Autocannon, Intoxicating Elixir, Mark of Slaanesh
. Helstalker: Techno-virus injector

Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL, 160pts]: Autocannon, Mark of Khorne, Reaver Lord, Talisman of Burning Blood, Warlord
. Helstalker: Techno-virus injector

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 85pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 85pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 85pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [33 PL, 600pts] ++

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: 4. Blades of Putrefaction, Malefic talon, Wings

+ Heavy Support +

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

++ Super-Heavy Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Renegade Knights) [43 PL, 825pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 172pts]
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons

Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 172pts]
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons

Renegade Knight [25 PL, 481pts]: Heavy stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer

++ Total: [106 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

It's not cheap if you buy it all at once. I am lucky to have had my knights and DG units already bought and used in my DG army.

The battalion itself is looking to be around $200-250 depending on any deals I find on Ebay.

The spearhead is looking about $200-225 depending on if you are buying new, or converting your own DP.

The knights were about $230-ish as I bought them new, got a knight preceptor kit at a nice discount though. A little more actually as I bought magnets for my big knight.

I recommend starting small for 40k. Buying an entire 2k list off the bat can be pretty hit or miss if you end up not liking the list or playstyle of the factions.

If you are going with this list splurge for the extra cp for suppurating plate on the prince.