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Made in fi
Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





This thread is revised. The initial post below.

Spoiler:

Now with several games on my belt and looking at some new purchaees I feel like this could be fun and nasty to play against. Enough CP to relocate and recycle marines with different weapons and use endless cacocphony if my havocs die. What do you guys think good enough for more competitive play. I only need to get the chaos lord and one havocs hull to get all this. So atleast feels better than oblits/crawler that I got from the shadowspear..

Here it is..

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [67 PL, 10CP, 1,357pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Dark Disciples [1 PL, 10pts]: 2x Dark Disciple

Detachment CP [5CP]

Gametype

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP]

Legion [3CP]: Red Corsairs

Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Devastation Battery

Use Beta Rules

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, 95pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Mark of Slaanesh, The Daemon's Eye, Thunder hammer

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 100pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, Warpsight Plea

Huron Blackheart [6 PL, 1CP, 105pts]: Prescience, Reaver Lord, Warlord

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 150pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 172pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Combi-bolter
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 180pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Lascannon
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Lascannon

+ Elites +

Helbrute [6 PL, 135pts]: No Chaos Mark, Power scourge, Twin lascannon

Helbrute [6 PL, 130pts]: Helbrute fist, No Chaos Mark, Twin lascannon

+ Heavy Support +

Havocs [7 PL, 170pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ lascannon: 4x Lascannon

Havocs [7 PL, 110pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ autocannon: 4x Autocannon

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [34 PL, 8CP, 643pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Red Corsairs

Use Beta Rules

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL, 180pts]: Death Hex, Intoxicating Elixir, Malefic talon, Wings
. Slaanesh

Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL, 160pts]: Autocannon, Mark of Khorne, Talisman of Burning Blood
. Helstalker: Techno-virus injector

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 65pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 65pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 173pts]: Icon of Wrath, Mark of Khorne
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Combi-plasma
. 7x Marine w/ Chainsword
. Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

++ Total: [101 PL, 18CP, 2,000pts] ++

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I've been troubling my mind still with the 2k list, my 1,5k next game is found below, but as the 2k list I think this would be even better.

Spoiler:


Red corsairs batallion

Huron + warlord + prescience
Lord Discordant + autocannon + MoK + Talisman of burning heart

10x chaos space marines + 2x reaper chaincannon + MoS
10x chaos space marines + 2x autocannon + MoS
10x chaos space marines + 2x lascannon + MoS

Helbrute + TLC + power scourge
Helbrute + TLC + helbrute fist

Devastation Battery (Spearhead)

Chaos Lord + plasma pistol + thunder hammer + The daemon's eye

Havocs + 4x reaper chaincannon + MoS
Havocs + 4x autocannon + MoS
Havocs + 4x lascannon + MoS
Venom Crawler + MoK
2x obliterators + MoS

Chaos rhino + 2x combi-bolter

1994 points. 12CP.

Idea is to have a backline of Huron, 48" Havocs and two sheriff Helbrutes. Screen of three lines of chaos space marines and three different distraction: Oblits, LD& VC and a rhino stuffed with RCC havocs and chaos lord. Recycle/redeploy a unit of marines every turn on new flanks or objectives and use endless cacophony if needed.

If the CP ain't enough. I think I juggle for two red corsair batallions and get 7 more CP.. hmm.

Any comments or big flaws in my idea, feel free to ammend on either the 2k or 1,5k list


This message was edited 5 times. Last update was at 2019/06/03 19:27:56


 
   
Made in ch
The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





The Da is a trap choice.

other than that, that is a surprising ammount of PA; which will get annoying to deal with fast:

Probably get rid of the DA and add some more Heavy weapons and bodies to the smaller squads?

Field another squad entirely?

Maybee add a cultists blob instead for even more recycling shenanigans instead, that would be 20 additional recyclable fast moving bodies.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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Made in fi
Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





DA could be swapped to another 2x RCC marine squad. I prefer marines for the extra CP red corsair batallion provides. I assume you get additional +3 cp for both of those batallions.
   
Made in ch
The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





Xirax wrote:
DA could be swapped to another 2x RCC marine squad. I prefer marines for the extra CP red corsair batallion provides. I assume you get additional +3 cp for both of those batallions.

You don't lose anything if you replace the da with 20 cultists in regards to cp, you realize that?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in fi
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot





Helsinki, Finland

Hey, just to mention, is that cp calculation correct? You'll have;
- +8 for each battalion
- battle forged for +3
- huron as a warlord for +1

With total of 20cp (-3 for relics, -1 for special detachment)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/05/26 17:18:15


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Made in fi
Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





Renegades/red corsairs get a free additional relic. So with three relics it's -1cp from "2nd relic", but could easily drop the discordants relic to have only two and no minuses.
   
Made in fi
Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





So,
it's time to test this recycling more in action. My next game is just around the corner and at 1500 points.

I want an all-comers list so what do you think, enough CP to recycle those semi-potent marine squads when they show up along with endless cacophony?

Red Corsair batallion (+3 battle-forged +5 batallion +3 Red Corsairs special)

Huron - prescience - warlord (+1CP)
Lord Discordant - autocannon - Mark of Khorne - Talisman of Burning Heart

10x chaos space marines - 2x reaper chaincannon - Mark of Slaashnez
10x chaos space marines - 2x autocannon - Mark of Slaashnez
10x chaos space marines - 2x lascannon - Mark of Slaashnez

Chaos rhino + 2x combi-bolter (this is for reaper havocs and chaos lord most likely)

Red Corsair (or could this be something else?) Devastation Battery Spearhead (+0 CP)

Chaos Lord + thunder hammer + plasma pistol - The Daemon's eye (2nd relic is free because of being Red Corsair)

Havocs + 4x reaper chaincannon + Mark of Slaashnez
Havocs + 4x autocannon + Mark of Slaashnez (should I replace this as Dark Apostle with two dark disciples, the same points? I would still get a spearhead.)
Havocs + 4x lascannon + Mark of Slaashnez
Venom crawler + Mark of Khorne

Total of 1499 points. Total of 12 CP.
   
 
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