Is Inevitable Fate Pointless?

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**vipoid**

When I first read the Inevitable Fate stratagem, I thought it was just the Unbind Souls spell as a Stratagem.

However, when I looked more closely, I noticed this:

Use this stratagem at the start of the fight phase. Re-roll wound rolls for attacks made with melee weapons by Ynnari units that target that unit until the end of the fight phase.

(Emphasis mine.)

Notice that rerolling wounds isn't optional. Nor is there any provision for only rerolling failed wounds.

So unless I'm mistaken, if you use this Stratagem then you roll all your wound rolls, then pick up all those dice - regardless of whether or not they wounded - and roll them all again. Thus making the initial roll entirely pointless.

Unless you're clairvoyant and know that your first wound roll is going to be nothing but 1s, I fail to see the point of this Stratagem.

Am I missing something here?

**p5freak**

RAW, you must re-roll all wound rolls for that unit.

**JohnnyHell**

An over-literal reading would show that, yes. Clearly it’s intended to be beneficial not to force you to reroll successes, but cue RAWAACmongering...

**Slipspace**

The thing you're missing is that GW does not tend to write completely useless rules. RAW, you could well argue that you have to re-roll all wound rolls, thereby making the stratagem not just useless but potentially actively disadvantageous.

If you want to play by strict RAW the stratagem just prolongs your game by making you roll more dice for very little reason but I think 99%+ of players will interpret it to allow you to re-roll failed wound rolls. Contact GW's rules team and maybe they'll put it in the Ynarri FAQ.

**timetowaste85**

I’d say adding “you may” and “any” fixes it entirely; pick the ones you want to reroll. Works like Abaddon that way. Roll twice for no reason and spending CP to do it is beyond asinine, and anybody forcing that on you is somebody you don’t want to play with, let alone associate with.

**Shadenuat**

When you put out Ynnari FAQ and make Fire and Fade 1CP, but your proofreaders still keep delivering.

**BaconCatBug**

Slipspace wrote:
The thing you're missing is that GW does not tend to write completely useless rules.

I think you'll find that this is indeed the case.

To the OP, you are correct you must re-roll all wound rolls.

Good thing GW just released a Ynarri Index Errata that fixes.. oh.

**some bloke**

I think this falls under the same category as the Squiggoths rules in Index Xenos 2, where it states that you roll a dice and "on a 2, the unit takes D3 mortal wounds" - clearly it is intended to be 2+, but RAW, it's exclusively on a roll of a 2!

Anyone who forces you to use this as rerolling the entire roll, whilst they may be RAW correct, isn't worth playing.

**vipoid**

Slipspace wrote:
The thing you're missing is that GW does not tend to write completely useless rules.

Er... that's debatable. Many would say that A Taste For Death (another Ynnari stratagem) is indeed useless. And not even due to issues of RAW. It just serves no purpose whatsoever.

BaconCatBug wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
The thing you're missing is that GW does not tend to write completely useless rules.
I think you'll find that this is indeed the case.

To the OP, you are correct you must re-roll all wound rolls.

Good thing GW just released a Ynarri Index Errata that fixes.. oh.

Will you be adding this to your collection?

**Togusa**

vipoid wrote:
When I first read the Inevitable Fate stratagem, I thought it was just the Unbind Souls spell as a Stratagem.

However, when I looked more closely, I noticed this:

Use this stratagem at the start of the fight phase. Re-roll wound rolls for attacks made with melee weapons by Ynnari units that target that unit until the end of the fight phase.

(Emphasis mine.)

Notice that rerolling wounds isn't optional. Nor is there any provision for only rerolling failed wounds.

So unless I'm mistaken, if you use this Stratagem then you roll all your wound rolls, then pick up all those dice - regardless of whether or not they wounded - and roll them all again. Thus making the initial roll entirely pointless.

Unless you're clairvoyant and know that your first wound roll is going to be nothing but 1s, I fail to see the point of this Stratagem.

Am I missing something here?

Pretty clear the intent of this stratagem is. I'd say anyone who tuffs you on it, tell them to sit and spin.