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I just came back to 40k, from a 7year break, recently and signed up for a one day ITC tournament on the 8th of June. Had four games in total of this edition so need some help with my list.

My list:

Battalion 1

Mephiston 160pts
Dante 175pts

3x5 scouts. 5 bolters + 10cc/pistols 165pts

Battalion 2

Smash captain with Artisan of War and Angelic Wings 124pts
The Sanguinor 150pts

3x5 tacticals one with heavy bolter and 2 with missile launcher

2 Company Veterans with JP 38pts Used these guys for mephiston screen or to eat Aupex Scan for smash captain

Company Ancient with JP and standard of Sacrifice(-1cp)

5 assault marines with JP 2x Plasma + Plasma pistol and power axe 107pts
5 assault marines with JP 2x Plasma + Plasma pistol and power sword 106pts These 2 squads DP with either captain or dante and preferably with the standard too. Love them

Devastator squad 158pts
Heavy bolter
2 missile launchers
Lascannon
an extra bolter marine and cherub

1500pts and 12cp

This is the list that I played the last 2 games against an Admech/Knights/SW list and I managed to draw the first game and got a loss in the second. Felt that both Dante and the Sanguinor didnt do much for their points. Felt like in both cases I could just have another normal captain. Only have time to assemble and paint 2-3 more models until the tournament so cant do too many list changes since I mostly have terminators, vehicles and tons of tactical marines from an edition they didnt suck. Have an extra Lascannon and some more bits to make a few more captains with so I'm thinking about doing this:

Replace Dante with another 124pts smash captain to save 51 pts. Replace Sanguinor with a bit cheaper 109pts captain with Relic Blade and inferno pistol. 92pts saved so far. Remove the 2 company vets for another 38 pts. Use the extra points to downsize the current devastator squad and in another devastator squad for 2 squads with a HB, ML, LC and cherub. Have 38pts left over after that and use those points to add a combi melta to the standard bearer, upgrade a tactical heavy bolter to a missile launcher and add another body to one of the dev squads.

List 2:

Battalion 1

Mephiston 160pts
Captain JP, melta pistol, relic blade 109pts

3x5 scouts. 5 bolters + 10cc/pistols 165pts

Battalion 2

Smash captain with Artisan of War and Angelic Wings 124pts
Smash captain 124pts

3x5 tacticals with missile launcher 255pts

Company Ancient with JP and standard of Sacrifice(-1cp), combi melta 87pts

5 assault marines with JP 2x Plasma + Plasma pistol and power axe 107pts
5 assault marines with JP 2x Plasma + Plasma pistol and power sword 106pts

Devastator squad 125pts
Heavy bolter
missile launcher
Lascannon

Devastator squad 138pts
Heavy bolter
missile launcher
Lascannon
an extra bolter marine and cherub

1500pts and 12cp, closer to 9 if I death visions all 3 captains

With this I can keep the cheaper captain and the standard back to buff my shooty elements and the captain is still strong enough to kill most things getting close I think. Should give me a better firebase and secure rear. The one thing I wish I could do is remove the last guy from the second dev squad and equip 6 storm bolters on sergs but dont own any but thinking about do some bolter conversations and maybe tack them on, unsure if I have the time for that though. Also unsure about how to distribute the heavy weapons, only have 2 heavy bolters, 5 missiles and 2 lascannons so cant really change the weapon loadouts, only what squad carries what.

So what do you guys think? Is the first or second list better? Anything else you would change or add for going 1750 or 2000pts later on?

Don't use assault marines. They are pretty bad. If you go with company veterans you gain an additional attack per model, and you can give them chainswords, for another attack, and plasmaguns. And they can use JP as well, allowed by the FAQs.

 p5freak wrote:
Don't use assault marines. They are pretty bad. If you go with company veterans you gain an additional attack per model, and you can give them chainswords, for another attack, and plasmaguns. And they can use JP as well, allowed by the FAQs.

Yeah. Assault Marines arent that good but they are really cheap units for unloading plasma and scoring. Company Veterans costs too much so I would have to remove more things than just the assault marines to replace them for about the same result. Only have 2 JP veterans also so wont help now. Vanguard veterans are looking better than the company veterans since they are a few points cheaper each and also have 2 attacks. Will go with either them or death company for when I increase to 1750/2000pts. But not an option for the lists above. I have enough marines to easily field a normal company....with tacticals, assaults, devastators, terminators and supporting vehicles.....but I lack all the rest :(

If you have the bits, maybe consider switching the assault marines to all chain swords and 3 hand flamers. It is a different use case scenario for them though, but imo, plasma pistols is a bit of a trap with so few shots. with that set up youd get 3d6 auto hitting shots averaging out to 10.5 and a Frag grenade for 1D6 shots averaging out to 2.331 hits, plus a bolt pistol shot for about .666 hits, totalling, on average ,to 13.49 hits. Then a full 11 S4 chainsword attacks, equalling on average 7.32 hits that fully benefit from the BA CT. All of that for 78pts X 2, saving you a total of 58points, that would allow you to also take the 2 Company Vets with 20pts left over to kit them out as you see fit.
Admittedly, this set up does not have as high of a threat range, focusing on chaff clearing, but unless your packing double melta and an inferno pistol/melta bombs, you really dont want to send ASM against vehicles/monsters.