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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 02:02:06
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Has anyone used multiple daemon princes in a death guard army? Maybe 3 or more with any success?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 04:52:37
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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In matched play you can only use three. In general, yes, Daemon Princes are one of the best units in the Chaos armies. Namely with wings and malefic talons (two of 'em). Pretty much a go-to mauling machine.
Deathguard and Thousand Sons versions are superior to normal ones because of your feel-no-pain, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 12:34:46
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Dameon princes can have two jobs in a Death Guard army, one is flanking with drones and preying on weak units, and the other is providing your army with arch contaminator and its re-roll aura.
If you really want a third one, you should have a look at the Daemon Prince of Chaos from the daemons codex since it can have a pretty awesome relic sword and buffs DG daemon engines with the locus of nurgle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 15:35:59
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Battleship Captain
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Elbows wrote:In matched play you can only use three. In general, yes, Daemon Princes are one of the best units in the Chaos armies. Namely with wings and malefic talons (two of 'em). Pretty much a go-to mauling machine.
Deathguard and Thousand Sons versions are superior to normal ones because of your feel-no-pain, etc.
Rule of 3 is only for tournaments and even then only if the TO chooses to enforce it. But yes, DPs are great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 15:52:39
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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Sim-Life wrote: Elbows wrote:In matched play you can only use three. In general, yes, Daemon Princes are one of the best units in the Chaos armies. Namely with wings and malefic talons (two of 'em). Pretty much a go-to mauling machine.
Deathguard and Thousand Sons versions are superior to normal ones because of your feel-no-pain, etc.
Rule of 3 is only for tournaments and even then only if the TO chooses to enforce it. But yes, DPs are great.
It's not only for tournaments, many other groups use it. It is worth mentioning in these threads as it is often the default in pickup games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 15:55:47
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Yep, the all of the "optional" tournament rules may as well be codified rules. You're extremely unlikely to find a local group, local tournament or pick-up game which will not assume you're using the rule of three.
No point in the guy buying four or five if he never gets to field them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 16:43:15
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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It is only for tournaments, but it has also been adopted wholesale by basically everyone.
You can 'work around' the RoT by reserving points to Summon DP Nos. 4 & 5 (for example), but Summoning isn't a great mechanic, so...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 16:45:40
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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Excommunicatus wrote:It is only for tournaments, but it has also been adopted wholesale by basically everyone.
Then it isn't for Tournaments. What it says in the FAQ is irrelevant if it's not what people play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/15 17:57:58
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Eh. We can argue over de facto or de jure all day, it won't get us anywhere or add anything illuminating to the OP's question.
De jure it's for tournaments only. De facto, it's everywhere.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/16 15:05:48
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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No, as - other than the older version - the model is God awful.
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Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/16 16:06:29
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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That said you can use the old greater demon models as princes now; they basically are the same size physically and fit on the same base size so they are pretty correct in model terms. Plus the old greater demon models have no other use now that the actual model for them is many times bigger.
Either say it flies with magic or convert with some wings (quite a few kinds around now) and you've got yourself demonic princes; plus each one looks like a specific god-mark as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/17 07:16:18
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Fixture of Dakka
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Overread wrote:
That said you can use the old greater demon models as princes now; they basically are the same size physically and fit on the same base size so they are pretty correct in model terms. Plus the old greater demon models have no other use now that the actual model for them is many times bigger.
Except that they're still valid models of actual greater demons.... A Go ahead, show me the errata making them otherwise*. I'll wait.
*Unless that errata is for your non- GW run tourney scenes as I'm not involved in that & don't ever plan to be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/17 09:04:28
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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ccs wrote: Overread wrote: That said you can use the old greater demon models as princes now; they basically are the same size physically and fit on the same base size so they are pretty correct in model terms. Plus the old greater demon models have no other use now that the actual model for them is many times bigger. Except that they're still valid models of actual greater demons.... A Go ahead, show me the errata making them otherwise*. I'll wait. *Unless that errata is for your non- GW run tourney scenes as I'm not involved in that & don't ever plan to be. Ah, yes this old chestnut.... Go run a RT Eldar Avatar vs someone and tell us how well received it is. Whilst there are no literal rules preventing you from doing so you will more than likely get a side eye from others for using them with the same stats. Nowhere does it say you have to use a model as what it is (was) sold as. I've had loads of minis over their lifetimes be used as other things as over the years their equipment was made illegal or they simply got removed from the game. Yes, GW has vastly oversized the GD minis but unfortunately thems the breaks. Using it as something more appropriate (like a DP) is a far less resistant path than continuing to use it as a GD and the MFA accusations that can come your way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/17 09:06:17
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ccs wrote: Overread wrote:
That said you can use the old greater demon models as princes now; they basically are the same size physically and fit on the same base size so they are pretty correct in model terms. Plus the old greater demon models have no other use now that the actual model for them is many times bigger.
Except that they're still valid models of actual greater demons.... A Go ahead, show me the errata making them otherwise*. I'll wait.
*Unless that errata is for your non- GW run tourney scenes as I'm not involved in that & don't ever plan to be.
Well for line of sight purposes the new greater demons are far bigger than the original models. So even on the same base they aren't quite the correct size for what they are now.
I would suspect the greater proportion of gamers will shift to using the new models and will retire or use the old ones as proxies for princes. Much in the same way many in the tourney scenes update their bases to suit the new base sizes.
GW likely won't rule on it because their attitude is far more casual, plus its more driven by not turning gamers away when they use out of date products that GW produced. Which is fair, even if it results in an unbalanced game state (esp with regard to base sizes changing around).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 03:16:30
Subject: Re:Multiple demon princes
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I don't know about anyone else, but my plan is to take Bertha the 25-year old Keeper of Secrets and put her on a 100mm scenic diorama base.
Frankly, if it comes down to it, giving the other player the benefit of the doubt and saying "The new model basically can't hide behind anything. So if you want line of sight to this model, you get it. I'll stick to drawing line of sight from the lead" should be fair enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/19 00:16:46
Subject: Re:Multiple demon princes
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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DP three-max model rule sucks big time. I wanted to try out an army with all of my HQ's being princes, including possibly both Samus and Uraka. I know that GW wants to keep the game fair, but it's not like DP's are invincible or OP or anything like that. Regardless, rule is poo IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/19 02:51:00
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Take Samus, Uraka, Be’Lakor, and three Daemon princes of choice. That gives you 6 and doesn’t break the rule of three.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/19 07:06:23
Subject: Re:Multiple demon princes
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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ArcaneHorror wrote:DP three-max model rule sucks big time. I wanted to try out an army with all of my HQ's being princes, including possibly both Samus and Uraka. I know that GW wants to keep the game fair, but it's not like DP's are invincible or OP or anything like that. Regardless, rule is poo IMO.
Daemon Princes are a *bit* OP though... One of the better units in the game for sure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 16:40:06
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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timetowaste85 wrote:Take Samus, Uraka, Be’Lakor, and three Daemon princes of choice. That gives you 6 and doesn’t break the rule of three.
I didn't know that I could do that. Thanks.
Stux wrote: ArcaneHorror wrote:DP three-max model rule sucks big time. I wanted to try out an army with all of my HQ's being princes, including possibly both Samus and Uraka. I know that GW wants to keep the game fair, but it's not like DP's are invincible or OP or anything like that. Regardless, rule is poo IMO.
Daemon Princes are a *bit* OP though... One of the better units in the game for sure.
They are one of the better units, but not broken or hyper-powerful. A solid melee or ranged attack can take one down. Also, what's the difference between an army with up to nine princes versus an army filled to the brim with as many tanks and dreadnoughts as possible?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 17:19:33
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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You can, because they’re all separate Data Sheets completely. You can also add the new Slaanesh prince, Syll’Esske to that as well, giving you a total of 7 princes (4 unique, 3 normal).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 17:35:30
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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timetowaste85 wrote:You can, because they’re all separate Data Sheets completely. You can also add the new Slaanesh prince, Syll’Esske to that as well, giving you a total of 7 princes (4 unique, 3 normal).
FAQ from april fixed this. All Daemon Princes, regardless of being separate data sheets, are considered Daemon Princes for the rule of 3. You cannot have more than 3.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 19:29:58
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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I believe that is only for the non-unique ones. So “Daemon Prince of Nurgle” in DG codex is technically the same as “Daemon Prince of Tzeentch” in TS codex. But not the same as Be’Lakor, who has his own stats that are different, and a unique character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 19:41:54
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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True. I don't see them used very often though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 19:44:29
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Do the unique DPs say "only one of these can be included in your army"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/20 19:53:41
Subject: Multiple demon princes
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Yes, they do
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