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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 17:54:33
Subject: Speculation on new Adeptus Mechanicus rules in 40k
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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I was looking at the preview of the Ad Mech for the new Apocalypse game ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/23/apocalypse-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicusgw-homepage-post-4/) and I noticed something. In most of the other previews each army detachment has a special ability that is very similar to the (mostly) army wide special ability that army has in 40k; And they shall know no fear, battle focus, Dakka Dakka, etc. but looking at the Ad Mech preview it was different. Instead of the Canticles each detachment gets the Blessings of the Omnissiah which allows rerolls of 1 when making saving throws and two of the canticles are now command assets, more or less the equivalent of stratagems. Is this an indication of how things will be at some point in the future? Is the Ad Mech going to gain this ability and replace the Canticles and the Canticles instead become stratagems? Is this a good or bad idea?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 18:15:48
Subject: Speculation on new Adeptus Mechanicus rules in 40k
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I highly doubt that it will be the case that they take another faction specific thing(Cult Mechanicus were the ones with Canticles, originally based upon the number of units in the army for its strength) and turn it into Stratagems(which is what they did to Doctrina Imperatives).
Frankly? This seems like them giving a "Dakka,Dakka,Dakka!" /"Waaagh!" or the beta Bolter styled rule to AdMech.
Several armies have 'activated' items and 'passive' items. Canticles are an 'activated' one while there isn't really a "passive". And it's important to remember that Canticles are done as:
A) Rolled randomly, allowing you to use them more than once per game
B) Chosen specifically, disallowing more usage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 18:21:24
Subject: Speculation on new Adeptus Mechanicus rules in 40k
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I don't think canticles are going away, that's a pretty iconic part of the army. Maybe tweaked, but I think that they were made those cards because of how powerful they are. Other armies had similar innate abilities treated that way. I'd be very surprised to see them become strategems, having doctrinas made that way was unpopular enough.
The save one is interesting, but I think it's trying to represent things the army already has. For one, every admech model bar a select few has an invuln save. In addition, some, like the Kastellans, can boost their saves natively, and other like the Onager can reroll saves as well. Rather than trying to represent something like 6 or 7 abilities that all have roughly the same end result, perhaps that was chosen for simplicity. It sounds like way too powerful of an ability to just be added to the codex as is. Remember it's stupidly easy to get a lot of our units up to a 2+ save, giving us a native reroll 1's to save would make units like the Kastellans functionally invincible to all but the heaviest weaponry, aka anything ap3 or above.
It is promising to see admech appear to be given more thought with this apocalypse system, and does give hope that an admech v2 codex might happen and fix all the completely pointless stuff our codex has. I can't think of any other book with so many options where you look at it and think "what is the point of this?" Not even that the option is bad, so much as you struggle to figure out what the heck it even interacts with or is meant to achieve.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 19:35:36
Subject: Re:Speculation on new Adeptus Mechanicus rules in 40k
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I've been genuinely wondering for awhile if they're going to remove the "Bionics=Invulnerable" thing. It seems like they keep flipflopping the points on Skitarii and they're the only unit that immediately comes to mind as really being affected by it.
Across the whole of the AdMech, we have three different "types" of bionics:
-Masterwork Bionics(Dominus) grant D3 lost wounds back. He gets his Invulnerable Save not from the Bionics but rather the Refractor Field, same as Cawl does(who amusingly enough does not have Bionics listed on his profile)
-Blessed Bionics(Techpriest Manipulus) gives you a Refractor Field's 5+ Invuln and the Masterwork Bionics' regain D3 lost wounds.
-Bionics(Enginseer, Skitarii, Kataphron, Sicarian, and Ironstriders). This is the 6+ Invulnerable Save.
You then have the Datasmith, Electropriests, Cawl, Kastelans, and Onagers who have Invulnerables but no Bionics listed. Servitors, amusingly enough, don't have Bionics or an Invulnerable Save.
Where it becomes interesting is that when the Skitarii book first dropped? Nobody had a Bionics Save, at all.
Skitarii Alphas could buy an Invuln by getting a Refractor or Conversion Field and Sicarian came with it natively as part of their "Sicarian Battle Armour"(4+ Armour Save and 6+ Invulnerable Save). No Invulnerable Save was on the Ironstriders and the Emanatus Force Field on the Onagers was +1 for each Onager in the unit within 4".
If I were to be given the unenviable task of reworking the AdMech book?
I'd be dropping the "Bionics equals Invulnerable Save" thing, right off the bat. I'd be tying the Invulnerable Saves on the Sicarian back to their armor, tying the Enginseer's back to his Refractor Field and basically everything else is toting Refractor Fields. The Masterwork and Blessed Bionics can retain their "regain D3 lost wounds" text but ditch the Invulnerable Save.
I'd rework the Emanatus Force Field to extend to nearby units, with the save improving if multiples are overlapping. Cap it out at +2 to the 5+ Invulnerable Save and have it be fluffed as "energizing circuitry in the warplate" so it doesn't become just another buff zone issue.
Bionics becomes a FNP or a reroll to failed armour save rolls of 1s.
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