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Hey guys.
I see tons of players popping 10 meganobz into a 20 slot transport, 5 into a 12 slot, or 3 into a 6 slot. So either im missing something or about half to battle reports I watch/read are played wrong.
The rule says "Each Mega Armour or Jump pack model takes the space of two other models"

The way I see this is each meganob takes up 3 spots, its spot plus the spots of two other models (1+2=3)
So this would be 6 in a 20 slot, 4 in a 12 and none in a 6 because min squad size is 3

Thoughts?
Thanks

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Central California

Are you saying 3 because the original model PLUS 2 for the mega armor or jump pack? I have never seen that interpretation.
The rule says each mega armored model takes the place of two" or some equivalent. NOT the mega armor takes two spots. The whole model does, as in the ork AND his mega armor (or jump pack) take two spaces.
The key phrase is the word MODEL. That word encompasses the whole figure and it's gear.
To be concise, the space marine transport rules say (emphasis is mine) "Each Jump Pack or Terminator MODEL takes the place of two other infantry models...(etc)"
In this edition, a Terminator is a model, a seperate and designated unit, not a marine with terminator armor on top.

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greenerizmeaner wrote:
Hey guys.
I see tons of players popping 10 meganobz into a 20 slot transport, 5 into a 12 slot, or 3 into a 6 slot. So either im missing something or about half to battle reports I watch/read are played wrong.
The rule says "Each Mega Armour or Jump pack model takes the space of two other models"

The way I see this is each meganob takes up 3 spots, its spot plus the spots of two other models (1+2=3)


Each Meganob takes up two spots, instead of the normal one. In order for it to work the way you think it does, it would say "Each Mega Armour or Jump Pack model takes up the space of two additional models or something similar.

Edit: Like edwardmyst points out, it looks like you're missing "model" in "Mega Armour or Jump pack model". That's "each Mega Armour model or Jump Pack model". The Mega Armour and the Jump Packs aren't separate from the model equipped with them.

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The phrasing i put in the original post is directly from the book
"Each Mega Armour or Jump pack model takes the space of two other models"

I am interpreting as such
Each model takes up 1 space
Mega armor models(1) take up the space of two other models(+2)
1+2=3

If it should be a total of 2 transport spots should it not say it takes of up the spot of one other model? For 1+1 =2

I'm looking at the word other as additional.

Thanks
   
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Douglasville, GA

Yeah. You're way off. It doesn't say "Each Mega Armour or Jump pack model takes the space of two MORE models." It says "Each Mega Armour or Jump pack model takes the space of two other models." So, for example, if you put 1 MAN and 2 Nobz into a Battlewagon, then you have taken up 4 spaces in that BW. 2 for the "other models" and 2 for the MAN. Ie: 1 MAN = 2 Others.
   
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Central California

I see. Other models, meaning Other than the one it replaces. That is not the interpretation I have ever seen. You are interpreting Other to mean MORE, as in two MORE models. This is not a correct interpretation of the word other in this sentence I believe. This may be why the Space marine codex and other codices replaced Other, with the phrase infantry model.
My interpretation of OTHER in that sentence is Mega armored model replaces two of any type of model in the transport.



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Post 2019/07/13 01:14:21 Subject: Re:Each Mega Armour or Jump pack model takes the space of two other models
I see. Other models, meaning Other than the one it replaces. That is not the interpretation I have ever seen. You are interpreting Other to mean MORE, as in two MORE models. This is not a correct interpretation of the word other in this sentence I believe. This may be why the Space marine codex and other codices replaced Other, with the phrase infantry model.
My interpretation of OTHER in that sentence is Mega armored model replaces two of any type of model in the transport.


Yeah thats basically how I am reading it. Would be nice if it just said this unit takes up 2 slots in a transport or 3.

Internet dictionary entry for the word other.
adjective & pronoun
1.
used to refer to a person or thing that is different or distinct from one already mentioned or known about.
2.
further; additional.

I think both definitions support this as being a single mode which takes up 3 spots. To be clear though id rather it be 2 spots instead of 3 but I just dont read it that way.
   
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They take the place of two other models. This means they don't take up their own slot because they are taking the place of two other models INSTEAD of their own space.
   
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Thats a weird way to handle it, but it works.
I'll take it.

Thanks all
   
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Douglasville, GA

I think you're confusing "other" for "another". My name is Jeff. If there is *another* Jeff, that's an additional one. If there is an *other* Jeff, that's a different one.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut







It’s like “this laptop is twice the cost of other laptops”.
Or “this laptop take twice the space of other laptops”.
The “other” is there because that’s proper British English—otherwise you end up saying that something is twice as big or whatever as itself.

If they wrote “normal” instead of “other”, then you’d have arguments over what constitutes a “normal” model.
   
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FWIW I understood the OP's misinterpreting the word "other" to start with, it seemed clear to me. It was also the first time I've seen anyone get that bit wrong that particular way though.

Take a look at what I've been painting and modelling: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/725222.page 
   
 
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