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Competitive for Nova?

Tsons Supreme Command
Ahriman on a disc
Vanilla TSons Sorcerer
Daemon Prince with Wings

Daemon Battlion
Poxbringer
Daemon Prince with Skullreaver and wings
Sloppity Bilepiper
28x Plaguebearers (Icon)
29x Plaguebearers (Icon)
10x brims

Renegade Knights
2x "wardogs" with cannons x2
Knight with thermal cannon and avenger Gatling cannon and heavy flamer

Total CP 12
Points (post renegade codex) 1998

Artifacts / warlord (Tsons DP) - helm of third eye / high magister
-1 CP for helm on Renegade Knight to negate hit modifiers (most matchups)
-1 CP for Skullreaver

Doesn't give up butchers bill (< 80 models)
Likely gives up headhunter

Weak on antitank maybe... particularly against meta which will probably involve a high number of 3x chaos knights and/or eldar fliers? Do the armigers with skyrepar protocols and the knight with helm (negates negative to hit modifiers) do enough? Are the mortals from Tsons detach enough? Or will the army just be woefully underpowered with the plagues...

Overall I'm not sure on the sloppity and/or the Tsons DP - both of which can provide points to maybe pay for a bloodletter bomb or a Pink horror / changecaster (potentially) to deal with screens and increase dakka... or alternatively nix the entire daemon detach just to bring x3 deredeo as is quite popular in most top lists currently...

With mathammer appears woefully underpowered to deal with any x3 knight list - should it be reformatted to include Foul Blightspawn? Thoughts?

I think it would be better to have dual avengers than the avenger and thermal cannon personally. Maybe cut off a few plaguebearers to make it fit.

Dracarys wrote:
I think it would be better to have dual avengers than the avenger and thermal cannon personally. Maybe cut off a few plaguebearers to make it fit.

I think this is only possible by dropping the sloppity bilepiper as the point difference between thermal cannon and avenger gats is 40 post codex drop - otherwise the # of plagues gets very neutered. How much does the bilepiper add with 2 large blobs of plagues running icon?

orkswubwub wrote:

Dracarys wrote:
I think it would be better to have dual avengers than the avenger and thermal cannon personally. Maybe cut off a few plaguebearers to make it fit.

I think this is only possible by dropping the sloppity bilepiper as the point difference between thermal cannon and avenger gats is 40 post codex drop - otherwise the # of plagues gets very neutered. How much does the bilepiper add with 2 large blobs of plagues running icon?

People are too in love with the avenger gatling cannon. It's a great meq and adverage hoarde killer but thermal will blow it out of the water when hunting t7+ without an invul and is much cheaper. I would drop bilepiper in favour of maxing out the plaguebearers and adding in a stormspear rocket to get the most out of that knight.

What's your third troops choice on the battalion?

10x brims (now editted in) - i was trying to fit nurglings but actually think the brims might be better as backline cover to deny deepstriking slam captains which will probably resurge (I would guess) in the meta. The whole list still clocks in under 80 models so it doesn't give up the full 4 points to butchers (assuming I get tabled). NOVA doesn't run killed more, killed one etc. so at most the brims could be marked for death and give up a point - so having a splash unit is a bit more forgiving than ITC where you really want to kill at least one unit a turn.

The double thermal is attractive - and the storm spear adds some dakka and range for T7 models (such as eldar fliers). It's a little scary to think of rolling double 1's on a 400+ point unit to put out two las cannon shots but I guess with gaze of fate to help... Would you run this then as iconoclast for the extra stomp in melee and the vow to reroll 1's against W8+ models? Would really be relying on the stomps... granted I could change the warlord trait pregame to get up to 6 attacks for 18 stomps - which would be a part of the solution for ork boyz lists etc. I could also add on Vow of Carnage. The more I think about this the more I like it...

orkswubwub wrote:
10x brims (now editted in) - i was trying to fit nurglings but actually think the brims might be better as backline cover to deny deepstriking slam captains which will probably resurge (I would guess) in the meta. The whole list still clocks in under 80 models so it doesn't give up the full 4 points to butchers (assuming I get tabled). NOVA doesn't run killed more, killed one etc. so at most the brims could be marked for death and give up a point - so having a splash unit is a bit more forgiving than ITC where you really want to kill at least one unit a turn.

The double thermal is attractive - and the storm spear adds some dakka and range for T7 models (such as eldar fliers). It's a little scary to think of rolling double 1's on a 400+ point unit to put out two las cannon shots but I guess with gaze of fate to help... Would you run this then as iconoclast for the extra stomp in melee and the vow to reroll 1's against W8+ models? Would really be relying on the stomps... granted I could change the warlord trait pregame to get up to 6 attacks for 18 stomps - which would be a part of the solution for ork boyz lists etc. I could also add on Vow of Carnage. The more I think about this the more I like it...