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2019/07/20 22:42:50
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Nasty Nob
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If I understand things correctly, you can take wargear options from older versions of a datasheet even if they don't appear on the latest version (I can't actually find the document which says this; if anyone can link to it or give a page reference, that would be great). For example, even though the deffkopta in codex: orks can't take a killsaw, I can still add one because the version in index: xenos 2 had the option.
If that bit is right, then how about entire models? For example, in codex: chaos space marines, a havok unit can include up to ten havoks, while in vigilus ablaze, it has a maximum of five. Does the general principle that old options are still valid apply, or is that only for individual models and their wargear? Can you still take a unit of ten havoks?
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2019/07/20 22:53:21
Subject: Re:Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Lieutenant General
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2019/07/21 00:51:44
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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Yeah, that doesn't clear it up.
I believe the intent is that no, you cannot, but that chart only talks about wargear.
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2019/07/21 01:07:56
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Lieutenant General
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 JNAProductions wrote:Yeah, that doesn't clear it up.
I believe the intent is that no, you cannot, but that chart only talks about wargear.
Why doesn't that clear it up?
Use the Codex version of your model’s datasheet, but you can choose to use the Index version for its Wargear options (note that if the Wargear has rules in the Codex, these replace the Index rules).
As it states, you use the codex version of the datasheet which in the updated version that was released simultaneously with Vigilus Ablaze limits the Havoc unit to five models.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/07/21 01:10:25
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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Well, there's an issue that Vigilus ain't a codex.  Edit: It just seems a little wonky to me.
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2019/07/21 01:14:39
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Lieutenant General
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JNAProductions wrote:Well, there's an issue that Vigilus ain't a codex.
Edit: It just seems a little wonky to me.
And the current codex agrees with Vigilus. The problem is he's reading an out of date codex.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/07/21 01:15:23
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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Ah, right-they updated the Chaos Codex.
Where's BCB with that list of documents?
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2019/07/21 01:24:09
Subject: Re:Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Lieutenant General
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They also posted the following on Warhammer Community when the new codex dropped...
... Havocs would be covered as an "updated datasheet".
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/07/21 01:36:20
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Norn Queen
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JNAProductions wrote:Yeah, that doesn't clear it up.
I believe the intent is that no, you cannot, but that chart only talks about wargear.
If your model has a datasheet in the codex you must use the codex unit.
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2019/07/21 07:50:37
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 BaconCatBug wrote: JNAProductions wrote:Yeah, that doesn't clear it up.
I believe the intent is that no, you cannot, but that chart only talks about wargear.
If your model has a datasheet in the codex you must use the codex unit.
...or in the case of Havocs you use the Vigilus Datasheet.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2019/07/21 13:05:40
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Lieutenant General
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 JohnnyHell wrote: BaconCatBug wrote: JNAProductions wrote:Yeah, that doesn't clear it up.
I believe the intent is that no, you cannot, but that chart only talks about wargear.
If your model has a datasheet in the codex you must use the codex unit.
...or in the case of Havocs you use the Vigilus Datasheet.
Only if you have the old codex and only because you have a explicit permission to do so and it is essentially the same datasheet as found in the current codex.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/07/21 13:16:08
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 Ghaz wrote: JohnnyHell wrote: BaconCatBug wrote: JNAProductions wrote:Yeah, that doesn't clear it up.
I believe the intent is that no, you cannot, but that chart only talks about wargear.
If your model has a datasheet in the codex you must use the codex unit.
...or in the case of Havocs you use the Vigilus Datasheet.
Only if you have the old codex and only because you have a explicit permission to do so and it is essentially the same datasheet as found in the current codex.
Yep, what I meant but better put! 
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2019/07/21 14:18:44
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Ghaz wrote:Only if you have the old codex and only because you have a explicit permission to do so and it is essentially the same datasheet as found in the current codex.
Old printed Codex at that.
Digital Codexes, at least the Apple ones, updated to the 2.0 version automatically, which made their flow chart about what to buy damned annoying.
Needs another option "I own the previous version in a digital format" which should go "You should do nothing, well done for being smart and buying digital".
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2019/07/22 17:40:22
Subject: Can you still take models in a unit which were only available in an older version of its datasheet?
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Dakka Veteran
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"I do not own the previous version of Codex: Chaos Space Marines but want to start..."
"You should get Codex: Chaos Space Marines for all the datasheets you need to play."
"But I want to have Traits and Stratagems for Renegade Chapters or The flippin' Black Legion!"
"then buy both! we love the money*!"
*"so much so, we didn't bother to say that the majority of the monotheistic specific Renegades actually were..."
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