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Hi people !
So I intend to start a DE army in 2020. What do you think of this as a starter list.



++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Black Heart

+ HQ +

Archon: Agoniser, Soulthirst, Splinter pistol, Warlord (Archon)
. The Parasite's Kiss

Archon: Blast Pistol, Huskblade

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Scourges
. 4x Scourge
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

+ Flyer +

Voidraven: Two dark scythes, Voidraven Missiles

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider: Disintegrator cannon

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Total: [55 PL, 991pts] ++

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 Khornate25 wrote:
Hi people !
So I intend to start a DE army in 2020. What do you think of this as a starter list ?
Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Flayed Skull

Black Heart is superior, for FNP on vehicles, an advance on Power from Pain, and Agents of Vect, of course. Foregoing all that in favor of a S4, 7A archon (Elric of Melnibone?) does not seem worth it.

That said:

 Khornate25 wrote:
Archon: Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Soulthirst, Splinter pistol, Warlord (Archon)
. The Parasite's Kiss

Archon: Agoniser, Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

I would give a huskblade over an agonizer, as the HB's damage out put is better and he's gonna want to be able to hurt vehicles with more than just his pistol.

 Khornate25 wrote:

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Blast Pistol

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Blast Pistol

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Blast Pistol

Kabalites are a long distance unit, so the blast pistol is a waste of points, IMHO. Once kabs are close enough for pistols, they're likely dead shortly. Also, why a unit of ... 8?

 Khornate25 wrote:
+ Fast Attack +
Scourges
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Even at 1k, a vehicle heavy list is going to give yours a challenge. Haywire blasters are a better gun versus tanks, and still decent anti-I.

 Khornate25 wrote:
+ Heavy Support +
Ravager: Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
Voidraven: Two dark scythes, Voidraven Missiles
Raider: Dark Lance
Venom: Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon
Venom: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Despite my anti-tank comment on the scourges above, I would save points and change the Dark Lances to DisCans. DLs are marginally better at T8 foes, like Imp Kinghts, but DisCans are the overall better gun for raiders and ravagers. Between a few blast pistols not bought, and DL to DisCan points, toss the grenade launchers ... you're freeing up points for something.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Further thoughts: As you're planning so far in advance, get some tutorials on using REMs for the DisCan & Dark Lance parts, in case there's a significant change when 8e runs out and the 9e codex changes things. I glued DLs on 6 boats back in 5e. It hasn't been a problem to use them as DisCans, but it makes your army look better to be 100% WYSIWYG.

So I updated my list following your advices.
I have a unit of 8 kabalites so they can be put in the raider with my 2 archons.
What do you think of it now ?

 Khornate25 wrote:
So I updated my list following your advices.
I have a unit of 8 kabalites so they can be put in the raider with my 2 archons.
What do you think of it now ?

This second iteration looks good with the current meta. Be sure to catch GW's Fall Big FAQ and other notices.

Well, I wouldn't use a Scourge unit with shard carbines.
After all, its a shock and awe unit. It should come in and deal serious damage.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I wouldn't use a Scourge unit with shard cabines.
After all, its a shock and awe unit. It should come in and deal serious damage.

Wes,
The scourges only get 4 special guns. The solarite's options are h2h toys or a blast pistol, so a solarite wielding a shardcarbine is best. Unless I missed something?

 Brothererekose wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I wouldn't use a Scourge unit with shard carbines.
After all, its a shock and awe unit. It should come in and deal serious damage.

Wes,
The scourges only get 4 special guns. The solarite's options are h2h toys or a blast pistol, so a solarite wielding a shardcarbine is best. Unless I missed something?

The list has 2 Scourge units, one with splinter cannons and one with shard carbines.
Moreover, splinter cannons are not the best option as they are ''heavy''.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I wouldn't use a Scourge unit with shard carbines.
After all, its a shock and awe unit. It should come in and deal serious damage.

What would you have instead ?

 Khornate25 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I wouldn't use a Scourge unit with shard carbines.
After all, its a shock and awe unit. It should come in and deal serious damage.

What would you have instead ?

I missed that the scourges had splinter cannons on the second read, sorry. Haywire blasters are best. Deep striking at 24" means they're hard to screen out and you can put, odds likely:
4d3 generates an average of 8 rolls to hit.
6 hit at their BS3.
That's 3 to 5 mortal wounds on a vehicle with average rolls, plus the 1 or 2 actual wounds they need to save, at AP-1 at 5+ to wound the higher Toughness of vehicles.

Dark Lances are heavy guns, so minus 1 to hit is meh. And most being drukhari guns are anti-I, adding haywire blasters is an awesome anti-T asset.

 Khornate25 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I wouldn't use a Scourge unit with shard carbines.
After all, its a shock and awe unit. It should come in and deal serious damage.

What would you have instead ?

As Brother said, either 4 special weapons,
or replacement by another Ravager if you can squeeze it in.