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Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




I am having great luck with a list very close to the one below. Am having a 80% win rate at my locals, went 4 and 1 at my local ITC tournament, even though this is clearly not an ITC list. (magic boxes are a pain)

This version I have traded up an Exorcine and an adrenal gland on each tyrant for an Acid Spray Tyranofex.

T8, 2+ save 14 wounds, potentially with a 5+++ that has to be dealt with, that are also the cheapest wounds in my list, that is also the biggest potential damage dealer in my list and it fills a role against minus to hit shenanigans and has a very decent overwatch. + Stinger Salvo is not nothing. up to 8 str5 ap -1 shots is not to be sneezed at.

What do you think, 2 exorcines and each tyrant with adrenal glands or the list below with the Tyrannofex?

Tyranid List, 2000pts, 9 Command Points

JORMUNGANDR Battalion +5cp
Hive Tyrant, 2x Devouers, Monstrous Rending Claws, 157
Hive Tyrant, 2x Devouers, Monstrous Rending Claws 157
3x Carnifexs, 2x Death Spitters, 1x H Venom Cannon, SporeCysts, Enhanced Senses 357
3x Carnifexs, 2x Death Spitters, 1x H Venom Cannon, SporeCysts, Enhanced Senses 357
3 Ripper Swarms 33
3 Ripper Swarms 33
3 Ripper Swarms 33

JORMUNGANDR Spear Head +1cp
Hive Tyrant, Miasma Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws 161
3x Carnifexs, 2x Death Spitters, 1x H Venom Cannon, SporeCysts, Enhanced Senses 357
Exorcine 170
Tyrannofex, Acid Spray, Stinger Salvo 184

Total 1999

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/57302/successful-far-maximum-nidzilla#ixzz5vGUqsmJh

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Made in us
Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare






I like the tyrano list better.

I play a very similar list with Levithan but I obviously give my tyrants wings

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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




Thanks! I hope to play test the change. But it will be a few weeks till I can game again. Personally I find wing rant too pricey for the points cost. My list idea is maximize monsters and try for the lowest points to wound cost reasonable.
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare






Russell wrote:
Thanks! I hope to play test the change. But it will be a few weeks till I can game again. Personally I find wing rant too pricey for the points cost. My list idea is maximize monsters and try for the lowest points to wound cost reasonable.

Yes wing tyrants are quite pricey but they are so good at breaking opponents lines and going after things that are really threatening. Foot tyrants are great as jorm though. Let me know how the list plays I might try the same kind of build.

If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder 
   
Made in ie
Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

Can you guys give a breakdown of how this plays?
Is it threat overload form 9 carnis?

Im struggling a bit with it since carnis tend to die to a stiff breeze these days.
Everything is footslogging with short/medium range shooting.
Very few inv saves and can only have cata up on one unit at a time.

I really like the look of the list but am a bit dubious with such meta heavy shooting these days.

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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be

By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

"Feelin' goods, good enough". 
   
Made in de
Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought






Germany

You play tyranids and you have no idea how jormungandr and sporecysts work ? Read your codex.
   
Made in ie
Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland


Yeah I get it -1 to hit and always a cover save so 2+ on the carnis etc.
But still....maybe Im just having a sceptical morning.

Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be

By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

"Feelin' goods, good enough". 
   
Made in nl
Longtime Dakkanaut





Walking Hive tyrants are just a bad idea. Lose the exocrine and tyrannofex and put a neurothrope + old one eye in the battalion and take a separate command detachment with 3 flying hive tyrants. No Jormung coversave when you advance so this does limit the speed.

Carnifex godzilla list also works well with 3 Jormung mawlocks. mortal wounds are nice and they're very cheap bullet magnets.

Nice that this list works in your local meta and I always loved nidzilla army lists, but I would never bring this to a tournament because it simply moves towards the enemy gunline and got taken apart, piece by piece.
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




"Walking Hive tyrants are just a bad idea." We will just have to agree to disagree. The point of my list is monster wounds overlaod. Wing rants cost more but have the same wounds and damage output. 9 inches is plenty to get into 18 inch range for smites and devouer shots. Also the walk rants are counter charge units. They are also cheaper per wound than my carnifexs or my excorine, and with a 4++ they are more durable.

"I would never bring this to a tournament because it simply moves towards the enemy gunline and got taken apart, piece by piece. " to each their own. BUT one of the great strengths of his list is is insane redundancy and resilience. Taking it apart is proving harder than many opponents expect.

mawlocks are fragile for their points compared to my other choices.






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"Im struggling a bit with it since carnis tend to die to a stiff breeze these days.
Everything is footslogging with short/medium range shooting.
Very few inv saves and can only have cata up on one unit at a time. "


It is threat over load with everything. no matter what you kill there is so much redunant firepower. While I concentrate on killing your monster threats, while i ignore your small arms shooting till I feel like dealing with it.

24-36 inches is medium range but 7 inch base move with no move and shoot modifiers or a -1 to hit if I advance. So no range is rarely an issue.

As an army I have a LOT of shooting, particularly successful against elite armies.

My biggest problems are magic boxes... and bad touch.

I tend to deal with bad touch armies by sacrificing a carnifex or two, stager formation, charge a carni or tow first into oncoming CC units just to slow them down in their own turn basically try to die in thier CC turn so they dont really get into the rest of my army.

Again winning well over 80% rate so far done really well against net list Dark eldar venom spam (t6 open topped vs 80 str 7 shots with -1 to -3 ap on top of 20 str 9 shots and 24 str 6 shots). and a few other competitive net lists.

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Made in us
Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare






Personally I would try the Levi version of this list. Drop the exocrine. Upgrade to FHT on all tyrants and try to fit a neurothrope. You gain a lot of mobility and turn 1 damage. plus you have the ability to go out and grab things with your tyrants.

Another big thing is 6+ FNP is far more reliable than counts as cover. Plus it also stacks with cover. Levi warlord trait is also really good for a tyrant.

I also agree about mawlocks. They are effing garbage. Tyrgons on the other hand are quite nice

If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




s 6+ FNP is far more reliable than counts as cover. depends I am often without synapse by turn 3, which makes very little difference in this army... Assassins abound in this edition, a lynch pin neurothrope may or may not last.

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Made in us
Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare






Russell wrote:
s 6+ FNP is far more reliable than counts as cover. depends I am often without synapse by turn 3, which makes very little difference in this army... Assassins abound in this edition, a lynch pin neurothrope may or may not last.

That is true about snipers. A lot of armies can't down it though. Synapse while not being super important for jorm - is very important for levi (not sure why it needs this restriction but whatever - iron hands get 6+++ overwatch on 5's and ignore degrading profiles for their trait lol - no synapse required)

If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder 
   
Made in nl
Longtime Dakkanaut





Russell wrote:
"Walking Hive tyrants are just a bad idea." We will just have to agree to disagree. The point of my list is monster wounds overlaod.


Russell wrote:
mawlocks are fragile for their points compared to my other choices.


I think Mawlocs are not to fragile for their points but players don't like dropping in a unit that dies the next turn, and only dealing a few mortal wounds. But the do fit the 'wound overload' tactics
and it would be their task to soak up damage round two to make sure the carnifexes and hive tyrants can push thru. 12, T6, 2+save(jormg) wounds is pretty cheap for 100+ points but you got to see them as a 'disturb unit'. You also could use them to secure the backfield objective at a moment when the enemy drops something in.

Russell wrote:
Again winning well over 90% rate so far done really well against net list Dark eldar venom spam (t6 open topped vs 80 str 7 shots with -1 to -3 ap on top of 20 str 9 shots and 24 str 6 shots). and a few other competitive net lists.


I do like nidzilla and I think that playing with this kind of army against average armylist could be a lot of fun. It is bloody, and you keep the opponents armies in the ropes while pushing thru.

But I think you are overselling this a bit. Wound overload can get you a win but in a tournament setting it would not give you a big win because you lose to much during the game. Apart from that I don't see how you can deal with shooty armies (astra m artillery, bad moons loota's, dark reapers etc..) and knights.

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Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




"I don't see how you can deal with shooty armies (astra m artillery, bad moons loota's, dark reapers etc..) and knights."


Never played a pure knights list yet. On paper it does not look good for me. I have however won against many single knight lists.

I have not played against a loota bomb,

I won against a GSC list but that was pure luck on my part (he failed all 3 charges from deep strike). I can see a well made deepstrike/charge list kilining mine easily.

One of my losses was to a very shooty IG list with lots of indirect fire. I truely think that game came down to who got to go first as we were both lined up for a shoot out.

I have not played strong a tau gun line. I have played aggressive movement tau and won.

Lastly I am not 90% with this list, I am 16 and 3, with many fights against non tournament level lists (I would say I played 6-7 tournament lists with this and am 2 and 5 at that level.). I apologise for saying 90% I wrote it without actually doing a count of my wins and losses. I have only done one small tournament going 4 and 1 with it. So all i'm saying is this list has been good to me.




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Last thing. I did the math. I am not 90% win rate. I am 16 and 3 so far. apologies I said the stat without doing math.

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