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Gotta admit I was almost afraid to listen to this for the first time. For a short while I just ignored it. Today I first listed to it and all I can say is that I am glad I did. It is very thematic and I think possibly far too intelligent to truly appreciate after just one listening. Listen to it 4-5 times and you will understand what I mean. If you love Tool - as insane as this sounds. Not only is this good. This might actually be their best production ever. Enjoy.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
It...it sounds like tool. Literally all of their music sounds the exact same to me. It's as if they figured out a way to sell people the same 2 songs for the last 30 years.
It's definitely remarkably similar to their old stuff and didn't strike me immediately as one of the more interesting additions to their catalog. A lot of Tool's music really rewards a listen with your eyes closed and a good pair of headphones after reading through the lyrics though. Honestly, I think its kind of a disservice to put their stuff on the radio ahead of the album.
LunarSol wrote: It's definitely remarkably similar to their old stuff and didn't strike me immediately as one of the more interesting additions to their catalog. A lot of Tool's music really rewards a listen with your eyes closed and a good pair of headphones after reading through the lyrics though. Honestly, I think its kind of a disservice to put their stuff on the radio ahead of the album.
Yes I would say it does reward relistening and listening closely.
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Nurglitch wrote: I'm hoping it sounds better if I listen to it enough. That said, there's always Gojira and Elder.
I'd rather listen to dethklok to be honest. Never could get into Gojira and I've tried.
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Togusa wrote: It...it sounds like tool. Literally all of their music sounds the exact same to me. It's as if they figured out a way to sell people the same 2 songs for the last 30 years.
They have a lot of different sounds. Just listen to Eulogy and ticks and leeches (hint both these songs themes show up in this song) they are very different from each other though.
I will agree though - that is part of Tools discography. Reoccuring themes are a big part of their stuff. Shichsm has a very similar sound to Vicarius. Another band that does this a lot that I like is Coheed and Cambria. I like it a lot - it makes it all feel connected.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Togusa wrote: It...it sounds like tool. Literally all of their music sounds the exact same to me. It's as if they figured out a way to sell people the same 2 songs for the last 30 years.
Eh. It sounds a lot quieter and less like an over-sugared small child on speed bashing instruments with a dead rabbit. But then I've only ever heard their original (or... admittedly, possibly just 'first popular') album before.
There might actually be understandable lyrics in there too, which sounds nothing like Tool.
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I'm looking forward to this album. I do enjoy Tool but don't spend a lot of time listening to them much these days. When Undertow was out on tape it was among my early collection way back when. I would listen to any a tape front to back for weeks on end, until I found the next album I was interested in. This track sounds very much like Tool.
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I like it, but I find myself anticipating and wanting the song to come to a rocking climax, but it just never gets there.
Even 10,000 Days, a somewhat similar song IMO, still climaxed.
I see a lot of comments online about the brilliance of this song, but I think it's lost on me since I'm not a musician, which I feel is really unfortunate.
Edit... I'm still very much looking forward to hearing the rest of the album. I'm sure it will be great.
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As a long time Tool fan I have one problem with it - while musically it is close to my favourite Lateralus, Keenan should have left Perfect Circle like vocals to, well, Perfect Circle. As much as I regret, this guy can't realy sing on par with instrumentals and any ornaments stand out as overly rehearsed and sung without real feel/lightness to them. His melodic recitations at least add a character to, not draw attention from other layers of Tool songs.
nou wrote: As a long time Tool fan I have one problem with it - while musically it is close to my favourite Lateralus, Keenan should have left Perfect Circle like vocals to, well, Perfect Circle. As much as I regret, this guy can't realy sing on par with instrumentals and any ornaments stand out as overly rehearsed and sung without real feel/lightness to them. His melodic recitations at least add a character to, not draw attention from other layers of Tool songs.
I am not sure he can yell like he used too. Maybe some of the other songs will include more hard vocals. For me Maynard is totally awesome but I enjoy just their instrumentals too - like Triad. I hope we get more classic Maynard but maybe we wont - his vocal chords might be rekt from years of screaming.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
nou wrote: As a long time Tool fan I have one problem with it - while musically it is close to my favourite Lateralus, Keenan should have left Perfect Circle like vocals to, well, Perfect Circle. As much as I regret, this guy can't realy sing on par with instrumentals and any ornaments stand out as overly rehearsed and sung without real feel/lightness to them. His melodic recitations at least add a character to, not draw attention from other layers of Tool songs.
I am not sure he can yell like he used too. Maybe some of the other songs will include more hard vocals. For me Maynard is totally awesome but I enjoy just their instrumentals too - like Triad. I hope we get more classic Maynard but maybe we wont - his vocal chords might be rekt from years of screaming.
I'm not talking about volume and "strenght" of those vocals, but about the style of ornaments he uses - he sounds very much like a person who have whished could sing beautifully but can't despite of trying very hard. That quality distracts me from enjoying this piece more...
nou wrote: As a long time Tool fan I have one problem with it - while musically it is close to my favourite Lateralus, Keenan should have left Perfect Circle like vocals to, well, Perfect Circle. As much as I regret, this guy can't realy sing on par with instrumentals and any ornaments stand out as overly rehearsed and sung without real feel/lightness to them. His melodic recitations at least add a character to, not draw attention from other layers of Tool songs.
Yeah, I have to agree here in part. This song, as 10,000 Days did to me, feels like assemblage of scraps left on the Lateralus cutting room floor. Musically, the beginning of this new song catches me. But as it goes on, seems to devolve into a pale imitation of Reflection. And the lyrics do the song no service, as far as I am concerned. Maynard's "inability" to sing is of no concern to me though, since I never did, nor would ever, come to Tool for good technical vocal work.
Like I said, about 2 minutes in, I really thought I was going to like this song. But then it all just fell apart for me, where the lyricism (or seeming lack thereof) and the relapse back to Lateralus derivative instrumentation fail to deliver anything noteworthy to me.
Where Opiate is was kick in the pants, Undertow is a punch in the mouth. Where Ænima has your brain hit in the gut, Lateralus is where your mind tries to expand, well, itself. 10,000 days? I don't know what it is. I can't make heads or tails of it, still. Not that I am trying much. And this new song? Again, smacks of too much Lateralus detritus for me to "take it seriously." Not to mention that the lyrics fail to land anything at all to me. But Tool albums felt like a progression, from the up-front nature of Optiate, to the beginnings of that concealment on Undertow and Ænima, to the more fully realized abstractions in most of Lateralus. These later works feel, to me, like pastiches of Lateralus, a parody of it's own style.
Now, of course, I am fully not the same person who listened Ænima in 1996. So, maybe the issue is just me. But this is not what I could call music I am interested in hearing. It still upsets me, since, as one could probably tell from my user name, I was a fan back in the day. I am still a fan of their work up to Lateralus. But this newer stuff, it's just not what I can bear. But, like I said, maybe it's just me.
"Wir sehen hiermit wieder die Sprache als das Dasein des Geistes." - The Phenomenology of Spirit
10,000 Days as an album is coming to grips with age and mortality, and understanding those you questioned in life. This song doesn't strike me as nearly the kind of trainwreck that Lipan Conjuring was, though it isn't as intense nor structured as Right In Two. I do, however, hold each song by its own merits rather than judging them off of each other. If I DIDN'T do that, I'd never listen to anything past Eulogy.
