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Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




Toronto

Hello All!,

We at Hardsix Gaming have been working toward bringing our fantasy skirmish game Kingdom & Empire to life for the past two years. Since starting the project we knew we wanted to release super detailed models in resin that could offer a measure of poseability while retaining what we believe to be the superior detail of resin. We also wanted to create a game that made use of scale to truly represent the size and scope of our world. Today we are excited to announce that we have placed our first model up for sale. The Missionary MKII praetorian was the first large scale model we designed and we always knew we would be releasing it before going to Kickstarter. The models are created and designed by our team and then hand cast in resin in house to ensure quality.

The Missionary MKII is 7.7cm (3.03 inches) tall which means in setting scale it is 12 feet tall. In setting, Praetorian's are giant magical suits of armor that are worn (piloted) by warriors trained to use them to enhance their strength. These suits operate as an extension of the wearer's body and in setting have become a major force on the battlefield. The Kingdom of Celesia produces the Missionary using them as their main battlefield Praetorian and they can be found in all three of the Kingdom's Military orders as well as in garrison forces throughout the Kingdom. More information can be found in the setting section of our website. https://hardsixgaming.com/the-setting/

Here are some pictures of the Missionary and what comes in the box:






Supplies of this model are limited pre-kickstarter. The first Missionary Praetorians will be sold with a Missionary MKI card allowing them to be fielded as the older MKI Praetorian. These cards will not be released again and it is our hope that they will allow players of our game to make use of the model in a different way then the MKII which will be released to the public during our Kickstarter. We look forward to hearing your thoughts regarding the miniature and our game as we embark on this new and exciting chapter.

Cheers
Hardsix Gaming

We will be monitoring the thread directly if anyone has any questions or feedback. We are super excited to launch this first chapter in our companies history and we thank you for your time and interest.

Cheers!
The Hardsix Gaming Team

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Made in us
Using Object Source Lighting





Portland

I don't want to be a naysayer, but... I feel like I've gotta say nay. The paint job really isn't selling your model very well. There are a lot of errors in it, and it looks like something happened with the varnish. You've got typos etc., which aren't helping with your public presentation, but lots of people aren't as picky as I am. I think that it would behoove you to find someone to paint that guy for a better presentation, though, since minis gamers are pretty attuned to that sort of thing and I expect it will hurt your sales.


My painted armies (40k, WM/H, Malifaux, Infinity...) 
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




UK

I have to agree with Spiral above - I'd really say get some photos of the model in its raw state without any paint and then pay a pro to paint it up to a high tabletop standard for the photos. You've actually got decent photos, but you've got a very basic paint display there and that really harms the quality of the model you are trying to sell; esp as its a 3inch tall model and has a fairly simplistic style* and thus should be very easy to paint up and look good.



*You've got very good detail on the armour; by simplistic I purely mean that its not dotted with tiny tiny details and markings and such.

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Made in us
Awesome Autarch






Yep, gotta agree.

If you're selling a product it needs to be seen in all its glory - either blank, or painted professionally. With a sub-par paintjob (and it's a completely fine tabletop level paintjob) I can't see what I'm getting. I can't see how crisp the cast is, I can't see if there are casting errors, etc.

Another common technique (if it's metal) is to keep it metal, assemble it, and apply a simple black wash which highlights the actual details of the mini.

PS: For what it's worth, it looks like a nice design. I get a very strong anime-knight feel from it.

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Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut






I don't mean to sound like I'm adding fuel to a fire but I hope you can take some constructive criticism. The proportions seem off on the miniature. Some of it may be due to artistic license in sculpting but they seem to be drastically different within the same limb. The lower portions of the limbs (forearm and calf for example) seem radically smaller than the upper halves. Unless you're specficially going for that type of lopsided style (kind of the opposite of the giant hamfist space marines of days past), I'd consider possibly adjusting that.

   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




Toronto

Hello All!

Firstly let me say thank you for the feedback. We're a small team and this was the reason we decided to go with a small release to start and iron out all the kinks.

That being said we will 100% be adjusting the OP and the website listing as soon as we can take some pictures of the Raw Resin model. We actually discussed this point and opted to go with the table top painted version we will be using for our upcoming YouTube videos. But we understand that it may be best to go with the Raw model and are happy to provide those images because it will show the detail we were aiming for in the model.

As for providing studio painted models that's something we'll have to investigate and if may take a little more time before we can provide those.

As for the simplistic design this was done on purpose as we want to avoid detail for details sake on our models. The goal is to have them be easily recognizable for what they are from a distance and we find avoiding an exaggeration of small details helps with that.

Glad we got the quality of the pics right at least. Please feel free to provide more feedback as we intend to keep this thread going with all our company updates.

Again. Thanks for taking the time to comment it's the only way we can learn and improve!

Cheers
G
   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




Toronto

Hello All

As per the feedback above we have adjusted the OP with raw pictures of the miniature assembled after trimming. No paint is on these models. I hope these pictures showcase the detail of the model in a better light then the table top pictures did. It will be a little while longer while we consult with studios for painting up our two starter sets but stay tuned for those as well.

Looking forward to more feedback from the boards!

Thanks
Hardsix Gaming
   
Made in gb
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Looks a lot better (and nicely cast)

 
   
Made in us
Using Object Source Lighting





Portland

Much better. The pose is a bit stiff, but yeah, looks like very clean detail/cast.


My painted armies (40k, WM/H, Malifaux, Infinity...) 
   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




Toronto

Hello Guys,

We received some feedback regarding the price of the miniature and we decided to drop the price as much as possible to correct this. We've done this by making changes to the process we use to produce the model which resulted in a lower cost but the same quality. Unfortunately, we wanted to get the price even lower than this but couldn't because this is a 16 piece miniature and the casting process is too labour-intensive. We are going to make changes to our design process going forward to correct this and try and get our Medium Praetorian's down in price. The current Missionary MKII is now selling for $35.00 CAD here https://hardsixgaming.com/product/missionary-mk-ii/

We also received a request for a size comparison image on social media, so I decided to update the post here as well. The human-sized models pictured here (Sorry for the paint jobs) are 32mm in height and as close to true scale as we could get them while maintaining detail. This shows the size of our Medium Praetorians pretty well, the terrain also helps in that regard. The models pictured are also upcoming for our range and they all belong to the same faction.



Finally, we have found a studio to paint our models and I hope to update you all very soon with a studio painted model to better show the detail of the cast.

Thanks for looking!

Hardsix Gaming

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Awesome Autarch






Still looks okay, but - as a blunt critique; what is this for?

I appreciate the enthusiasm and work behind this, but I'm left wondering what the point is. At this scale it doesn't fit into almost any common wargame or boardgame. That would mean it's essentially for collecting and painting, but at that point it isn't particularly detailed or interesting to look at. It's detail is on par with a nice 32mm miniature, but this is a 60mm figure. Is it just a collector's/painting piece?

I feel like you won't be selling many of these and that may hurt future products/promotions. Is there a market for this product? I never want to see company shoot itself in the foot by producing a nice product...that doesn't have a market to sell to. I've seen a lot of entire game systems collapse because they went with a bizarre off-scale style.

If it's a collectors/painters piece, is this the first of a line? I think it looks nice enough, but I feel no compulsion to jump at purchasing one. I've no use for non-gaming stuff.

PS: I think I commented on the slightly anime styling before - is this derived from an anime or something, and you're aiming at those fans? (oversized knights are a pretty common anime theme, so maybe it's something I don't recognize)

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Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




Toronto

Hello Again!

We are happy to reveal the studio painted Missionary as requested. SNS really did a good job of bringing the sculpt to life, and they nailed the feel and aesthetic we are looking for with the Knights of the Field Order. Before talking more about fluff though I want to address some concerns mentioned in the thread so far. I have been deliberately holding off as I wanted to get the studio painted model up before re-igniting the thread.

First and most importantly I'd like to explain our choices about scale. Most of the miniatures for our upcoming game are scaled at 36mm with most humanoids coming in around 39-41 mm in setting once you factor in equipment. This current release, the Missionary MKII, like all Medium Praetorians is quite large in game scale as it is more like a mech suit or vehicle. Inside the armour is a ~39mm pilot. The suit itself is magically powered by Arcane Crystal Core technology that can be quite volatile in game. This technology comes into play when a Praetorian is destroyed and can have an array of battlefield effects. The model is about 77mm which makes it about twelve feet tall in game scale. While this is already considerably larger than a typical humanoid, there are even larger miniatures eventually planned for the game.

There was also some questions as to why we released this model as opposed to starting with a ~40mm sized person. The answer to this is simple: We wanted to take a model from A-Z of our in-house production method both to ensure we could hit the quality standards we wanted and to make sure we had a thorough understanding of how much it costs to manufacture one of our larger miniatures using our production method. This is why we started with one of the larger models that will eventually be released in the starter set. Once we had gotten the molds made it was easy for us to produce miniatures for sale, and once we had actual inventory we decided to release them for sale for any early adopters. We didn't see the point in locking it all away before Kickstarter and as more molds get made for other miniatures, they will also go for sale while we prepare for Kickstarter. To incentivize people to purchase now each Missionary we sell pre-Kickstarter comes with a limited card that allows you to field this model as a Missionary MKI Praetorian which allows for a different tabletop experience. As our games typically feature at least three Praetorians this would allow someone to use this model differently then the two provided in the starter set.

As for the overall design the simplicity of the model itself was by choice. With this sculpt we wanted to emphasize the fundamental proportions and dramatic three dimensionality rather than on having lots of extraneous small details that wouldn't make logical sense on a large piloted mechanical suit of armor. This was also our first multi-part resin model and we wanted to ensure we could cast it at the quality we wanted reliably while ensuring as much poseability as possible. With other models in the range we have added more texture and details as they are more thematically appropriate on them, and we also now have a much better understanding of the process. You can see some of these sculpts on our website https://hardsixgaming.com/shop/

As for the anime theme that was not a deliberate choice, but since this model is not based on an actual existing thing we did have a little more fun with it. Mainly with things like the solid oversized shield and larger than life shoulder pads. This is a magical suit of plate armor scaled up to nearly two stories so we did take some liberties with the realism here. We do normally try to stay as historically accurate as possible within a low fantasy setting that has magic and sky ships etc.

Now I figure I should post the pics of the model since that is (Hopefully) what everyone came here to see.






A bit about the fluff and why the model is coloured the way it is: The Kingdom of Celesia produces Missionary MK II Praetorians for the standard army, as well as the individual Knightly Orders. This particular Missionary Praetorian belongs to the Order of the Knights of the Field. This order is responsible for paroling the countryside and protecting the rural population from the monstrous creatures that roam Celesia's wilds, as well as from more mundane bandits. As such they spend a lot of time outside of the protection of cities and towns wandering the wilderness in pursuit of monsters terrorizing the common folk. This means their equipment tend to be well worn and battle scarred and even the youngest Company Knight is a veteran by the standards of the other two orders. We felt it was important to convey this in the paint scheme and we're thrilled with how it has turned out. The first starter for our upcoming skirmish game Kingdom & Empire will be a Knight of the Field starter. Included inside this starter will be two Missionary MKII Praetorians, two Company Knight Pilots, a Company Knight, three Celesian Pikemen. Sculpts for these models are available on our store for viewing and will eventually be released as we near Kickstarter.

We are working very hard to get our game to the beta stage to provide a digital PDF of the rules that can be downloaded to give a much better idea of what our game and world are all about so stay tuned for that. As always please let us know your thoughts as we will continue to monitor this thread for feedback.

Cheers
Hardsix Gaming

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