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Working on a Nurgle list, and was considering rolling with a couple of titans in the mix. How is everyone finding their effectiveness relative to point cost? I was thinking of having a sea of Plaguebearers and supporting characters (probably 120 or so) to swarm in, with the Titans having a combination of plasma and either the vulcan blast cannons or the turbo lasers.

Thoughts?

Honestly once you're talking about models which cost £430 each (warhound plus two weapons to arm it with), I think most aren't considering the value of points to performance but just the chance to put the model on the table and play with it. Buying, building, painting and fielding a pair of them is far more about having your pair of warhounds on the table than about their performance.

Even if they performed poorly people would still take them.

Remember these are models that cost, on their own, as much as whole armies; a pair and you could have built a very large army with diverse options.

RoverDude wrote:
Working on a Nurgle list, and was considering rolling with a couple of titans in the mix. How is everyone finding their effectiveness relative to point cost? I was thinking of having a sea of Plaguebearers and supporting characters (probably 120 or so) to swarm in, with the Titans having a combination of plasma and either the vulcan blast cannons or the turbo lasers.

Thoughts?

The Warhound Titan's damage and durability for its points cost hits the overall average of all units in the game almost perfectly. The longer range laser destroyers deal 1/12 less damage than the plasma cannons, the plasma cannons deal 1/12 less damage than the mega-bolters, and the flamers deal slightly more damage. They're all extremely close numerically, so you can safely choose any weapon without worrying about quality, tbh - as a previous poster said the model costs so much.

If it were me I'd probably go for the flame cannons, just to get the big model that might explode out of my backfield.

One plus is I already have two ready to go So it's less a case of getting a chance to play with them, and more deciding if they will earn their points before they get taken down, or if they will be a better value than a comparable number of plague marines, etc.

RoverDude wrote:
One plus is I already have two ready to go So it's less a case of getting a chance to play with them, and more deciding if they will earn their points before they get taken down, or if they will be a better value than a comparable number of plague marines, etc.

Plague marines with double blight launchers in each squad are more damaging but less tanky than all Warhound builds (and obviously, shorter range than most Warhound builds, but still able to get most of their firepower out turn 1 thanks to 24" range)

Base build plague marines are more damaging and more tanky, but you need to get them within 12" or in melee to make that happen.

I would say a Warhound is a perfectly reasonable investment gamewise in apoc. Honestly the only titan that is iffy is the Nemesis Warbringer, which is fairly solidly outperformed by most warlord builds in either durability or damage, and just has Barrage on a few of its weapons to show for it.

For the most part, all the titan-class units I've looked at so far have been VEEERY average, with things getting a little weird when it comes to extreme range weapons - guns with like 180" range tend to do a strangely lower amount of damage than guns with 72" range, despite the dubious utility of that. I suspect a basic mathematic formula was applied to balance the guns, and it wasn't trained to think about the diminishing returns of range.

I still haven't looked at the FW titans for Orks, Nids, Necrons, or Tau yet.

One of my other thoughts was that I have better odds of keeping them at peak effectiveness for a few rounds, whereas a lot of smaller units may have some of their number deleted round one.

At this point since I will be on a 4x6, I am considering going with Plasma/Vulcan on both so I can get the firepower our round one. It may also take some of the heat off of my Great Unclean One, and give my infantry time to run up.

RoverDude wrote:
One of my other thoughts was that I have better odds of keeping them at peak effectiveness for a few rounds, whereas a lot of smaller units may have some of their number deleted round one.

At this point since I will be on a 4x6, I am considering going with Plasma/Vulcan on both so I can get the firepower our round one. It may also take some of the heat off of my Great Unclean One, and give my infantry time to run up.

2 titans in a game on a 4x6 table?

That's gonna be cramped yo.

Apocalypse if have any warhound or warlord etc run it... how many times do you run it? I say zero. If have it run it a few times if gak (is what it will be) or great, atleast you used it many times. Better than the bench warmer it is when buy it.


How often do you run it.... (never)... and if 40k you dead in first turn...