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So I love plague marines and they are decent in melee along with decent in shooting, if they can reach before being killed. So I am going to try out a list full of minuses to hit and untargetable plague marines. Realistically this is more fun than competitive, but I think it could win a few games between alpha legion stratagem and death guard plus Warptime. Any input on slight upgrades/ adding more numbers appreciated.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [50 PL, 873pts, 8CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: Malefic talon, The Suppurating Plate, Warlord, Wings

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [8 PL, 112pts]: Combi-bolter, Force stave

+ Troops +

Plague Marines [23 PL, 384pts]
. Plague Champion
. . Codex: Plague knife, Plasma gun, Power fist
. 9x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Mace of Contagion and bubotic axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Mace of Contagion and bubotic axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Flail of Corruption
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Flail of Corruption
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Bubotic Axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Bubotic Axe
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Poxwalkers [3 PL, 60pts]: 10x Poxwalker

Poxwalkers [3 PL, 60pts]: 10x Poxwalker

+ Elites +

Foul Blightspawn [4 PL, 77pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [62 PL, 1,112pts, 3CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Dark Disciples [1 PL, 10pts]: 2x Dark Disciple

Gametype

Legion: Alpha Legion

Use Beta Rules

+ HQ +

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 100pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 112pts]: Combi-bolter, Force sword, No Chaos Mark

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Elites +

Plague Marines [20 PL, 370pts]
. Plague Champion: Plague knife, Plasma gun, Power fist
. 8x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Mace of Contagion and bubotic axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Mace of Contagion and bubotic axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Flail of Corruption
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Flail of Corruption
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Bubotic Axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Bubotic Axe
. Plague Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Plague Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

Plague Marines [20 PL, 370pts]
. Plague Champion: Plague knife, Plasma gun, Power fist
. 8x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Mace of Contagion and bubotic axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Mace of Contagion and bubotic axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Flail of Corruption
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Flail of Corruption
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Bubotic Axe
. Plague Marine w/ melee weapons: Bubotic Axe
. Plague Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Plague Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

++ Total: [112 PL, 11CP, 1,985pts] ++

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Can you field a winged Sorcerer instead of the termie?

Got a plan to handle a Knight?

Power fist, flails, axes and maces should do decent damage if I can get a charge off? I’m thinking of getting rid of something so maybe 2nd AL sorcerer can give prescience and death hex? Would drop the Blightspawn and a few other things. Or maybe run 3 squads of PM in rhinos with 3 PBCs with 3 Blightspawn all armed for melee? Blightspawn plague sprayer seems it can do a lot of damage if average rolling. I also have about 18 plague drones (flies).

Yes and no? From what im gathering your plan is to try to warptime/alpha legion into charge range and beat em up. It's just too slow with relying to heavily on power fists to beat up tanky units. If you don't manage to kill the unit out right (or even if you do) your stuck in the middle of no where relying on 5+ Disgutingly resilient. When all they have to do is pull those models out and open fire. Dropping a few squads and running blight lord terminators with axes/combis will do you just as well, with better tankiness (they do a terminators job but better). Or just run Alpha legion Wraithtalons....expensive but they can beat up heavily armored things no problem, better then the plague marines and have a bit better sustain.

Ok thank you I will take your advice will get back once I figure out the list

 Defeatmyarmy wrote:
Power fist, flails, axes and maces should do decent damage if I can get a charge off?

P-fists do d3 and there are 3 in the list.
6 Flails of Cor - 6xD3 hits ....
12 Bubotic axes
6 Maces of Contagion with the solid 3 damage per. Good news is that most of these are gonna be S5 or better, so wound on 5s, reroll s. Bad news is many are "unwieldy" and spread across your 3 units of PMs.

Swinging at Imp Knights:
Okay, so the 3 champions have the p-fists. 6 swings, hitting on 4s, wounding on 4s. That's 3 hits, and ~1.5 wound. And then you roll an average of 2 points of damage with a -3 AP.

6 flails - D3 attacks per, so an average of 12 swings, 8 hit, ~2.5 wound at S6 vs. T8, rounding up for a Plague Wep's reroll makes that a solid 3 wounds. -2AP so that likely goes through.

12 B-axes - 8 hit, ~6.5 hit, ~2.5 or 3 wound.

Maces!
6 of them - 3 hit. 1 wound, which the knight will likely not save, given -1AP, so 3 points of damage dealt.

So, with all three units of PMs attacking, I calculate 2+3+3+3 = 11 wounds on average. With super dice, you could max at:
Champions doing 18 with the fists
6 Flails rolling 18 to hit, all hitting and then 36 points of damage
12 wounds from bubotic axes
18 points from the Maces.

That'd be with all the dice going your way.

Given that p-fists & maces are 'unwieldy', minus 1 to hit, and the other weapons doing only 1 point per failed save ... yeah, you need something more.

 Defeatmyarmy wrote:
Would drop the Blightspawn and a few other things. Or maybe run 3 squads of PM in rhinos with 3 PBCs with 3 Blightspawn all armed for melee? Blightspawn plague sprayer seems it can do a lot of damage if average rolling. I also have about 18 plague drones (flies).

The plague sprayer is too swingy, plus its average Str roll is gonna be 7, and thus needing 5s to wound a knight. So, D6 shots averages to 3.5 auto hits. At average S7, only 1 hits, maybe two with w reroll. -3 means it'll go through, and with three of these guys, an average of 9 points would be dealt.

S4 plague drones won't be of much help.

'Course, the obvious (and yet ridiculous) solution is spending money on a chaos knight of your own.

You haven't take the number of Nurgle which is 7 or multiples of.

Take 7,14 21, 28.

8/9/10 Plague marines pfff (what are we Khorne/Tzeentch/Unkown), make them 7.

10 poxwalkers not 14...

This all relegates you to lower tiers of chaotic madness