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Hey all,

I'm trying to decide between two Salamander lists. The first list has a phobos librarian to redoply my Invictor Tactical Warsuits to be most effective. It also has a storm raven as a delivery device for a turn 2 Ashmantle to make Ashtrays. The second list drops the storm raven and armorium cherubs to add a second battalion, moving the phobos librarian over and adding a regular librarian for CC support spells, a second drop pod to get Vulkan and the 2nd librarian into the fight immediately, moves the two regular scout squads over and adds a third, and a lucius pattern dreadnought drop pod to deliver Ashmantle (but, no flamer turn one due to the drop at the end of movement phase and still needing to stay more than 9" away). I don't have a storm raven yet, but I'm seriously considering picking one up.

List 1: 8 CP
Battalion
HQ
Bray’arth Ashmantle (400)
Vulkan He’Stan (135)
Phobos Librarian (Warlord: Lord of Deceit) 111
Troops
3x Scout sniper squads (4x Snipers, SGT w/Sniper+Bolter) 195
2x Scout Squads (bolters) 110
Elites
3x Invictor Tactical Warsuits (Incendium cannon) 393
Heavy Support
2x Devastators squads (4x Multi Melta + SGT w/Bolt Pistol&Chain Sword), Armorium Cherubs) 316

Flyer
Stormraven (Twin Las, Twin Heavy Bolter) 275

Dedicated Transport
Drop Pod (Storm Bolter) 65


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List 2: 13 CP
Battalion 1
HQ
Bray’arth Ashmantle (400)
Vulkan He’Stan (135)
Troops
Scout snipers (4x Snipers, SGT w/Sniper+Bolter) 65
Scout snipers (3x Snipers, 1x bolter, SGT w/Sniper+Bolter) 63
Scouts 55
Elites
3x Invictor Tactical Warsuits (Incendium cannon) 393
Heavy Support
2x Devastators squads (4x Multi Melta + SGT w/Bolt Pistol&Chain Sword)) 306

Dedicated Transport
2x Drop Pod (Storm Bolter) 130
Lucious Pattern Drop Pod 80

Battalion 2
HQ
Phobos Librarian (Warlord: Lord of Deceit) 111
Librarian (Veil of time, Might of Heroes), Force Stave, Bolt Pistol 96
Troops
3x Scout squads 165

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Thoughts between the two lists? The first list has more sniper fire to target characters on turn 1, and gives Ashmantle the opportunity to flame things before charging after disembarking the stormraven. The second list gives ashmantle the opportunity to charge turn one, and gives me some nice CC support spells, but I lose out on 6 sniper rifles, the stormraven, and 2 extra multimelta shots from the dev squads turn 1. It may come down to a play and see, but I'd really like to hear all of your thoughts about which would be better able to take on a wider variety of lists. What lists do you think I'd have a problem against? Is there anything else I should throw in? Should I exchange the multimelta dev squads for something else?

Thanks, I appreciate all of your feedback!

Hi from a fellow Salamander lover!

Of the two lists i am tending towards the 2nd.

But i have one quibble with both.

Breyarth Ashmantle.

Ok. yes he's T9, but if he's not in CC he is a big target with no real ranged firepower to hit back with.

At 400 points he is a lot of points for a model which can only shine up close.

I'd consider instead taking a load of Redemptor Dreadnoughts or Contemptors.


Redemptors have more wounds to to start with and better weapons.

That's why I was thinking the storm raven... slings him forward 45" turn 1, then he disembarks 3, moves 6. The other cool thing about him is wounding t8 on 2s. Hes also an 8 wound character model, so he has to be closest unit to be shot at, which gives him protection if the storm raven gets popped before he disembarks. 2+/5++/4+++ , too. But yea, he is super expensive. If I were to replace him, I'd probably drop salamander and grab the trait that gives me +1 charge and the warlord trait that gives me +1 charge bubble. Grab a couple CC vet squads in pods. 7s to charge, with a command reroll available to have a high chance of success with one of them.

you can still do salamander but i think 400 points would be better spent with veteran squads assaulting with Vulkan He'stan out of the Storm Raven. That is a nasty unit.

Lucius Pattern Drop Pods can't drop turn one.

I'm also trying to figure out a good way to run Ashmantle. I figure I'll need lots of distractions to allow him to reach the enemy lines.

Where is the rule that says it can't?

I am reading rules on battlescribe (updated to latest rules) and lucius pattern dreadnoughts can do a Drop Pod Assault.

Has this been nerfed?

Drop pods can now drop turn 1. Also because ashmantle is a character under 10 wounds all you need to do is have one other non character model nearer the enermy. So just hide some scouts near where you want to drop him off. Or run him next to invictors.

He's also pretty tough, you'd need 24 melta shots (in melta range) or 21 lascannons to kill him on adverage.

List one for me btw.

Normal Drop Pods can drop turn one. All FW Drop Pods still use the old rules. So turn 2 at best.

One thing to note, we have a new stratagem that halves all damage done to a dreadnaught for one phase. That makes Ashmantle all the harder to kill

Ah completely skipped over the FW drop pod part! I imagine they'll faq that in a few weeks like they did for chaos knights and fw knights

I'll have to find the gw rules question/faq email, to ask them if a named ability gets updated in one spot, does that spread the update to all other instances of that named ability. That alone could make a decision for me.

greytalon666 wrote:
I'll have to find the gw rules question/faq email, to ask them if a named ability gets updated in one spot, does that spread the update to all other instances of that named ability. That alone could make a decision for me.

It doesn't. Since they moved away from using USRs, for something to be updated it needs to be specifically addressed.

Weird how on battlescribe the rules for lucius drop pods are still the same.