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AP MARINES

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [66 PL, 6CP, 1,146pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Captain [5 PL, -1CP, 84pts]: Chainsword, Storm shield, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Teeth of Terra, The Imperium's Sword

Chaplain [5 PL, 90pts]: - Litany of Hate, 6. Canticle of Hate, Adept of the Codex, Benediction of Fury, Bolt pistol, Jump Pack, Warlord

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 172pts]: 2x Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 172pts]: 2x Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 172pts]: 2x Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [9 PL, 163pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp

Devastator Squad [9 PL, 163pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod [4 PL, 65pts]: Storm bolter

Drop Pod [4 PL, 65pts]: Storm bolter

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [24 PL, 5CP, 440pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Captain [5 PL, 86pts]: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle, Power sword

Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, 69pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [21 PL, 1CP, 411pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Captain in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 99pts]: Camo cloak, Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 78pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 78pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 78pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 78pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak
. Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak

++ Total: [111 PL, 12CP, 1,997pts] ++

I've been working with this list for a few weeks. I was told I didn't have enough AT. Is this too much? No sarcasm I started changing things and just don't like Hellblasters. They kill themselves to easily.

Rule of 3 is generally played in and out of tournaments so you'd be better building a list with only 3 eliminator squads. You also haven't paid for the las fusil on 2 in each squad, they should be 108 points.

I'm not sure grav amps are a good choice of anti armour, you have 4 shots hitting on 4+ because you've just moved and then you need a 5 to wound anything above t5 so a squad of 4 is wounding 2-3 times then there's saves if the have an invul and d3 dmg. Both squads are doing about 6 wounds to a knight.

Hellblasters are a better option in the new transport or repilsor executioners with the las destructor or centurion devs with lascannons and missiles. You can hide them move and shoot at full BS.

Yeah forgot about rule of 3. App must be wrong on the points then I added what it told me too I have no errors. Centurions are great but so expensive. And I would want to run them with hurricane filters no missile. Until I'm proven wrong I still believe weight of dice is the way to win in 8th edition over high strength minimal shot weapons. With the reroll start for the grave one unit should be doing more than 6 with rerolls but your right I wasn't taking into account of them hitting on 4s the turn they arrive. I have not seen a game friendly or tournament where I was impressed by hellblasters. They kill themselves more often then make up any of the points you spend.

Just had a look at app apparently you have to go into each selection of las fusil and add..... a las fusil. Makes perfect sense


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Just had a look at app apparently you have to go into each selection of las fusil and add..... a las fusil. Makes perfect sense

Yeah, I found that as well. Made those changes and I'm working on a few more changes then I'm going to repost. If Grav devastators aren't good. What should I be looking at? I don't see only 3 centurions doing enough work before they start dying.


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Maybe just venerable dreads with las and missile

I think mele and vehicles are your best bet. TH SS, jump pack vanguard vets are a decent shout. Assault centurions are amazing if you want to pay out for a stormraven land raider to transport them. But I think the executioner is your best bet atm.

I think the grav amp is a great elite killer so you coul loose the las fusils instead?

Went back to an older idea. See if this is better or at least comparable.
Ultra Marines

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [53 PL, 10CP, 1,100pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

Victrix Honour Guard [3 PL, 60pts]: Victrix Honour Guard, Victrix Honour Guard

+ HQ +

Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 130pts]: 2) Might of Heroes, 3) Null Zone, 5) Psychic Shackles

Marneus Calgar [11 PL, 2CP, 200pts]: Warlord

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

+ Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad [12 PL, 330pts]: Plasma incinerator
. 9x Hellblaster
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [49 PL, 3CP, 899pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Detachment CP [5CP]

Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Librarian [5 PL, 98pts]: 2) Scryer's Gaze, 6) Empyric Channeling, Force sword

Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, -1CP, 69pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, The Burning Blade, The Imperium's Sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 170pts]: Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 170pts]: Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 170pts]: Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [10 PL, 222pts]: 5x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

++ Total: [102 PL, 13CP, 1,999pts] ++


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The 4th incursor squad could be anything it just got me to 1999 I was thinking it could be a Chaplin tho.


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Adding a Primaris Chaplin and a single incursor makes it 2k on the nose.