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Pretty much as it says on the tin. The Sturmsurge was created as an Anti titan platform. How does it perform in that role?

I'd say badly seeing as it depends on Manta to ferry it about and Titans can just wander around themselves much faster.

I vaguely remember that in the campaign book from when they released they did pretty well knocking out numerous knights and at least a couple of titans. However in the fluff they fight in batteries more or less and rely on overwhelming firepower to balance the mobility issues.

What about the Taunar supremacy ?

 godardc wrote:
What about the Taunar supremacy ?

Right..... Yeah.. That thing exists.

When they debuted in Montka they were wrecking knights and IG superheavy tanks left and right but that is to be expected in a book showing off a completley new unit for the first time. Fact is, in Kayoun, it was the Riptides that were holding back the Imperials. A handful of them practically defeated the Imperium, while in Montka, the next book, Riptides were toned down heavily. No longer were they singlehandedly taking out knights and baneblades anymore. It was in fact the other way around.

I remember Pask landing a clean kill with a single headshot from farther than the maximum range of his Russ' targeters. (What a straight badass) I recall a trio of superheavies wrecking hell, with a stormsword(?) taking one out by blasting its leg right off while the deulling the Imperial Knights in a losing battle.

In Kayoun, and other publications before, that situation would have been flipped around. In Montka, the formerly invincible Riptides were saved by the arrival of a mere handful of Stormsurges, completley turning the tide of war and destroying the Knights in rates unseen since the Horus Heresy. High King Tybalt stood there unloading his gatling cannon at a Stormsurge but was unable to destroy its shields. (Although it isnt really the right weapon for the job.)

The Knights retreated with a whole 50% of the Household KiA and were only saved due to the lazy "erase button" which is the Obsidian Knight. (Who also saved the Imperials from the Riptides in Kayoun, while they had little trouble dealing with them this time around even without the Obsidian Knight)

Also note that this massacare was only a few pages long, so in only a few hours, a small group of I believe only 3 Stormsurges and some Riptides sent House Terryn and the bulk of the Imperial battlegroup running, with the Knights even being forced to leave the war entirely.

Its the same pattern with even crisis suits, hammerheads, etc.
Where when first showed off, are force that is nearly unstoppable, but eventually becomes more toned down and less immersion breaking.

In opens fields the Stormsurges have a huge advantage, while in more enclosed battlefields like ruins, Knights, especially Gallants, Preceptors and Errants Are a massive threat to the Stormsurges espeically since (I think) Stormsurges are the one class of "suit" which are slower and less agile than Knights while being less durable physically in exchange for having more powerful shields, which are not standard issue unlike the Knights' Ion Shields

Before the introduction of Armigers and Dominus Knights, the Ballistic Suits had the the advantage of having better support but now it is more even.

The Stormsurge is NOT a titan killer. Its a superheavy killer and it is effective at its job, but will go down like paper when faced with real titans or anti titan weapons like the volcano cannon.

The Tau'nar on the otherhand is a titan hunter when equipped with its railcannon, otherwise its either a superheavy mobile artilery platform, or a Stormsurge+. The Tau'nar's standard primary weapon is a different pattern or variant of the Stormsurge's Pulse Driver x3. Basically, its like an American WW2 tank destroyer without the speed. It packs a hard punch but is relativley fragile.

Acastus Knights are the Imperium's equivalent, and in my opinion are even better, but we havent really seen fluff on either unit and is probably better off in its own thread.

Poorly, the majority of it’s armament serves an anti-infantry role.

Storm surge is really good. It's just not very durable. 4 destroyer missles is 4d3 mortal wounds if you can hit and wound with them. PLus everything will be ap -1 with ATS. It got significantly better when its d6 tank bust shot got buffed because it serves an important long range roll and is ap-4 with ATS.


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changemod wrote:
Poorly, the majority of it’s armament serves an anti-infantry role.

Not really. Your gonna be tau sept because there is no reason to take any other sept so you have +1 to wound stratagem. Tons of str 5 ap -1 is great for killing anything. Plus you have mortal wounds and a big gun too. IMO they are at the same level as riptides in terms of competitiveness.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Storm surge is really good. It's just not very durable. 4 destroyer missles is 4d3 mortal wounds if you can hit and wound with them. PLus everything will be ap -1 with ATS. It got significantly better when its d6 tank bust shot got buffed because it serves an important long range roll and is ap-4 with ATS.


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changemod wrote:
Poorly, the majority of it’s armament serves an anti-infantry role.

Not really. Your gonna be tau sept because there is no reason to take any other sept so you have +1 to wound stratagem. Tons of str 5 ap -1 is great for killing anything. Plus you have mortal wounds and a big gun too. IMO they are at the same level as riptides in terms of competitiveness.

You know this is the background forum right? So none of what you said applies.

pm713 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Storm surge is really good. It's just not very durable. 4 destroyer missles is 4d3 mortal wounds if you can hit and wound with them. PLus everything will be ap -1 with ATS. It got significantly better when its d6 tank bust shot got buffed because it serves an important long range roll and is ap-4 with ATS.


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changemod wrote:
Poorly, the majority of it’s armament serves an anti-infantry role.

Not really. Your gonna be tau sept because there is no reason to take any other sept so you have +1 to wound stratagem. Tons of str 5 ap -1 is great for killing anything. Plus you have mortal wounds and a big gun too. IMO they are at the same level as riptides in terms of competitiveness.

You know this is the background forum right? So none of what you said applies.

That was a kinda jerk thing to say, I’m offended. I’m going to protest you in DC now. Sign and everything!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Storm surge is really good. It's just not very durable. 4 destroyer missles is 4d3 mortal wounds if you can hit and wound with them. PLus everything will be ap -1 with ATS. It got significantly better when its d6 tank bust shot got buffed because it serves an important long range roll and is ap-4 with ATS.

Anyone remembers the 'destroyer' missiles were Imperial anti-air missiles in fluff before Tau Sue in flying suit who was the target of said AA missile grabbed one mid-flight, ran to Tau designers telling them to copy it, boom, destroyer anti-everything (but not AA, curiously) missiles a week later?

Why Hunter missiles can't deal a bucket of mortal wounds to everything if they are so good, again? Or fire twice seeing its support struts look much more durable and numerous compared to two tiny Stormsurge ones?

Well we know cawl is fan of Tau tech given most of the Primaris gear is Tau knock offs, so I wonder if the Primaris have a super heavy walker coming.

SeanDrake wrote:
Well we know cawl is fan of Tau tech given most of the Primaris gear is Tau knock offs, so I wonder if the Primaris have a super heavy walker coming.

What about Primaris marines are Tau knockoffs? If anything they look like they were designed to fight tau

123ply wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Well we know cawl is fan of Tau tech given most of the Primaris gear is Tau knock offs, so I wonder if the Primaris have a super heavy walker coming.

What about Primaris marines are Tau knockoffs? If anything they look like they were designed to fight tau

How?

chimera0205 wrote:
Pretty much as it says on the tin. The Sturmsurge was created as an Anti titan platform. How does it perform in that role?

Asthetically - its total gak an its stupidly got an open top.

Lore wise - it did ok on first being fielded (like most new models) but now its just another giant robot from the army that ...........doesn;t field giant robots cos they are silly.