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Made in gb
Wicked Canoptek Wraith




Brigade. 15 CP total (-2 for chapter master)
HQs:
Primaris Captain w/ mc stalker bolt rifle (chapter master)
Primaris Lieutenant w/ mc stalker bolt rifle
Primaris Chaplain with Reliquary of Gathalmor

Troops
6 x 5 intercessors

Elites
3 x Invictor with incendium cannon

Fast Attack
3 x Tarantula with heavy bolters

Heavy support
Relic Leviathan with Melta Lance and Storm cannon
2 x Stalker with HKM
Devastator squad: 5 man squad, grav cannons

Transports
Drop pod.

Total = 1997 pts

Been messing around with a few list ideas and I've mashed this together. I know Knights will be a blind spot for this, but I think it's got some serious board control ability, with a ton of dakka and a lot of resilience. What do we think?

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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant





UK

looks quite hard hitting! only way to know is play it!

The dev squad with grav cannons seems a bit of an add-on.....are they going in drop pod?
   
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 Corennus wrote:
looks quite hard hitting! only way to know is play it!

The dev squad with grav cannons seems a bit of an add-on.....are they going in drop pod?


Yeah, they're drop podding in, gonna drop in turn 1 to form part of the alpha strike with the Invictors. With the grav cannon strat, they should be able to delete a priority target. I may drop them for a third stalker and something else though, since really I want to be primaris only.
   
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator






Hamburg


Troops
6 x 5 intercessors

Elites
3 x Invictor with incendium cannon

An alpha strike generally requires to bring all weapons to bear.
Works with Invitors but hardly with Intercessors.

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The plan isn't to alpha with the full force, it's to use the invictors/grav devs to hammer some key targets and tie up my opponent turn one, while I take board control with the intercessors.

I considered infiltrators/incursors, but I don't see much advantage to throwing a few extra lacklustre infantry squads up the field.

Alpha strike was the wrong word though, more like first wave/distraction carnifex
   
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant





UK

If you're lucky you'll get a turn out of your devs before they die.
   
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Hamburg

IanVanCheese wrote:
The plan isn't to alpha with the full force, it's to use the invictors/grav devs to hammer some key targets and tie up my opponent turn one, while I take board control with the intercessors.

I considered infiltrators/incursors, but I don't see much advantage to throwing a few extra lacklustre infantry squads up the field.

Alpha strike was the wrong word though, more like first wave/distraction carnifex

The enemy will concentrate the fire on your Invictors so that they will hardly survive round 1.

I appreciate your effort as I want to use 3 Invictors as well.

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 wuestenfux wrote:
IanVanCheese wrote:
The plan isn't to alpha with the full force, it's to use the invictors/grav devs to hammer some key targets and tie up my opponent turn one, while I take board control with the intercessors.

I considered infiltrators/incursors, but I don't see much advantage to throwing a few extra lacklustre infantry squads up the field.

Alpha strike was the wrong word though, more like first wave/distraction carnifex

The enemy will concentrate the fire on your Invictors so that they will hardly survive round 1.

I appreciate your effort as I want to use 3 Invictors as well.


OK, so what would you change/add? There isn't much else in the marine book that wants to be propelled up field turn 1. Since I'll have a pretty good idea if I'm going first or not when I deploy them, I can hide the Invitcors behind LOS blocking terrain in mid table if I'm going second to help mitigate the pounding they take. And if they get hammered turn 1, then my leviathan isn't getting touched.

I'm tempted to swap the gravistators/drop pod for more backline firepower though.
   
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant





UK

I would change your chapter to Raptors and take Lias Issadon as HQ. Then you can alpha strike 3 Intercessor units within rapid fire range.

Also consider Inceptors rather than the Tarantulas because of weight of fire and ability to deep strike.
   
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 Corennus wrote:
I would change your chapter to Raptors and take Lias Issadon as HQ. Then you can alpha strike 3 Intercessor units within rapid fire range.

Also consider Inceptors rather than the Tarantulas because of weight of fire and ability to deep strike.


Issadon doesn't work with Primaris, does he?

Yeah I'd like Inceptors, but points are tight. Could drop the grav boys and drop pod to squeeze them in.

Like I said, my idea was board control more than alpha strike.
   
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant





UK

let me check


Automatically Appended Next Post:
ah no he can't.

ok instead change primaris captain to captain in phobos armour and use princeps of deceit and redeploy 3 intecessors within rapid fire range

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Sadly Lord of Deceit doesn't let you ignore your normal deployment rules, just redeploy. So intercessors still have to stay in their deployment zone.
   
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant





UK

why have you got a chaplain with no close combat units?
   
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 Corennus wrote:
why have you got a chaplain with no close combat units?


Counter charger/hangs with the leviathan. With two guns, it's weak to being tied up in combat. Chaplain can dissuade that massively. Beyond that, he can give the +1 to wound shooting buff to the leviathan, which is reet tasty.
   
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I’m with you on debating the grav devs in a pod. They don’t match lists and I hate the pure sacrificial style on principle. But, the marine dex lacks anything else that equals their antiknight firepower at so low cost.
   
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bort wrote:
I’m with you on debating the grav devs in a pod. They don’t match lists and I hate the pure sacrificial style on principle. But, the marine dex lacks anything else that equals their antiknight firepower at so low cost.


Yeah. I'm waiting on the rest of the splash books before I commit. I have so many ideas bouncing around my head. Knights are still marine's kryptonite, but I think if you run into them, you just gotta outscore them. Wipe their support and sit on objectives. Laugh as they fail to kill your leviathan for the entire game. Good times.
   
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UK

have you considered taking a fortification for the list instead of a sacrifiial drop pod? put the devs in somewhere nicely buffed and have them blast away at pesky knights
   
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Yorkshire

IanVanCheese wrote:
bort wrote:
I’m with you on debating the grav devs in a pod. They don’t match lists and I hate the pure sacrificial style on principle. But, the marine dex lacks anything else that equals their antiknight firepower at so low cost.


Yeah. I'm waiting on the rest of the splash books before I commit. I have so many ideas bouncing around my head. Knights are still marine's kryptonite, but I think if you run into them, you just gotta outscore them. Wipe their support and sit on objectives. Laugh as they fail to kill your leviathan for the entire game. Good times.


You could just have one blood angels patrol as allies, for less than 200 points, of a smash captain and 5 scouts. They are anti cryptonite and there's nothing a knight can do to stop it once their screen is dead.
   
 
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