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2019/09/06 15:49:25
Subject: Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Rules seem to suggest yes as long as you pick a different model in the unit to manifest it.
Just checking if I am missing an FAQ somewhere that says no ?
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2019/09/06 15:51:01
Subject: Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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 Type40 wrote:Rules seem to suggest yes as long as you pick a different model in the unit to manifest it.
Just checking if I am missing an FAQ somewhere that says no ?
Which unit in particular? IIRC, most multi-model psyker units take psychic tests as a unit and not on a model basis.
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2019/09/06 15:52:48
Subject: Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Craftworld warlock conclave exceeding a model count of 3.
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there might be others but that's the only one I know off the top of my head. 3 d6 wound smites seems pretty boss. Even if the smites cost 1 more to cast each time.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/09/06 15:54:56
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2019/09/06 15:59:51
Subject: Re:Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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They cast as a unit w/ additional benefits.
Also, Smite technically belongs in its own category of powers separate from the powers you select - "...this model knows smite power and X number of psychic powers from Y list.." (as in, it would be impossible to know multiple instances of smite) and no unit/model can cast the same power more than once per turn. In matched play, no same power can be cast more than once, other than smite, despite how many psykers you have that knows that particular power.
Note, warlock conclave (or other similar psyker unit) is single unit comprised of models that have psyker keyword, not multiple individual psyker units combined into a singular unit.
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2019/09/06 16:43:13
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2019/09/06 16:01:43
Subject: Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Norn Queen
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Type40 wrote:Rules seem to suggest yes as long as you pick a different model in the unit to manifest it. Just checking if I am missing an FAQ somewhere that says no ?
You cannot attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per psyker, even in non-matched play. BRB page 178, Psychic Phase, Step 2, final sentence. The key term here is "manifest".
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/09/06 16:02:06
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2019/09/06 16:11:07
Subject: Re:Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I havn't seen a rule that says no unit/model can cast the same power more then once per turn.
The only wording I see is "a psyker can not attempt to manifest the same psychic power more then once each psychic phase"
But I guess, even though one model is used to measure range and LOS, the entire unit is using the power. I assumed that each individual was manifesting the psychic power. However, I now see that is not how it is written.
So even though they are all psykers, the unit exhausts its smite as a whole.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2019/09/06 16:13:50
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2019/09/06 16:16:30
Subject: Re:Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Norn Queen
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Type40 wrote:I havn't seen a rule that says no unit/model can cast the same power more then once per turn.
I literally just cited the rule that says this. Here is the full quote: BRB Page 178 wrote:2.Make Psychic Test
A psyker can attempt to manifest a psychic power they know by taking a Psychic test. To do so, roll 2D6. If the total is equal to or greater than that power’s warp charge value, the power is successfully manifested. A psyker cannot attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once in a turn.
Also "it doesn't say I can't" isn't an argument.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/09/06 16:17:00
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2019/09/06 16:20:55
Subject: Re:Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 BaconCatBug wrote: Type40 wrote:I havn't seen a rule that says no unit/model can cast the same power more then once per turn.
I literally just cited the rule that says this. Here is the full quote: BRB Page 178 wrote:2.Make Psychic Test
A psyker can attempt to manifest a psychic power they know by taking a Psychic test. To do so, roll 2D6. If the total is equal to or greater than that power’s warp charge value, the power is successfully manifested. A psyker cannot attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once in a turn.
Also "it doesn't say I can't" isn't an argument.
Right,
The argument would have been that A PSYKER is a single model not an entire unit.
But now that I read that the unit manifests the power and not the individual model in the unit. Thus each individual psyker in the unit has already manifested the power, not just one of them. I see that I was wrong... so IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T was not going to be the argument.
But thank you for the extra input BCB and thank you for once again quoting a rule that DOES NOT say "model/unit" but again quoting a rule that says "A PSYKER."
Please read my posts fully and in detail before responding with a condescending reply.
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Learn to see when someone is agreeing with you.
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2019/09/06 16:25:27
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2019/09/06 16:38:51
Subject: Re:Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Right. The general rule for psykers, which assumes the psyker is a single model unit (as this is the general case), is overridden via the specific rule in the datasheets for multi-model psyker units.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/09/06 16:44:48
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2019/09/06 16:40:48
Subject: Can a unit of psykers make multiple smites if they can manifest more then one power ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Makes sense
All cleared up @skchsan 
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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