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Hey, I'm having some issues with model prep. Namely removing the mould lines and cut out seems, right now I'm using just a normal nail sanding stick and it seems to do the job sometimes, but then other times I just can't get it right, or its shape stops me from reaching certain places. So I was looking around for some resonably cheap files and came across these - https://elementgames.co.uk/the-army-painter/toolsap/army-painter-tools/tool-miniature-and-model-files Does anyone any expirience with these, or mayby some solid alternatives to recomend, be it sanding sticks or files?

Also while I'm here, two more quick questions. About the glue, looking at how much of it you get and the price it seems like GW's plastic glue is one of the few sensibly priced modeling products they run, are there any recomendeble alternatives? Secondly, I want to kitbash my DnD miniature, allready have the bits but I'm not sure if I'll need liquid green stuff for anything. I know its a really vague and case dependeble question, but from what I've seen online its uses are rather limited. So from what I gathered just ye old normal green stuff is enough for basic need like these?
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Virginia

I use a dulled Xacto knife blade to clean mold lines. Also be wary of plastic glue, you're going to get a ton of recommendations some of them reeeeeaaaaalllly stink. Some of them work great but they're awful to work with depending on the fumes. GW stuff doesn't bother me and works fairly fast.
   
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Powerful Phoenix Lord





You should generally have on hand, all of the options:

1) X-acto blade (not from GW)
2) Sanding sticks (not from GW)
3) Small metal file if you work with metals (not from GW)
4) Sanding paper depending on what you're working with - particularly if it's a large plastic kit.

Secondly, never buy any hobby tools/supplies from GW. They're just absurdly priced re-branded copies of normal products.

Example:

X-Acto hobby knife: Depending on retailer, price is $3.40-$5.20
Games Workshop hobby knife: $32.00 (a price so bad they appear to have removed this item from their web page...)

Pin-vice drill: Depending on retailer, price is $7-$12
Games Workshop drill: $26.00

Buying any hobby device from GW is an incredibly stupid decision with very few exceptions. I believe their paint handles are priced okay ($8) mainly because they expect you to buy a load of them.

Regarding glue - look for any normal liquid cement for plastic models, namely from Model Master, Testors or Revell if you're in Europe (Revell's version is...Contacta?)



In the US you want:



Another option is Tamiya brush-on glue, which is ultrafine and is applied with a brush onto the seem where it seeps in, available in a couple different thicknesses.



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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Some good questions here and I'll do my best to answer them

1) For cleaning models there are many approaches and no single one is right. I've used a few over the years:

a) Blade. I typically use a scalpel blade, GW use to sell a really nice one; however a regular scalpel blade is perfectly good. Swann and Morton make top grade handles and blades (get the none sterilized since you aren't doing anything medical so no need to pay extra). You can easily get them off ebay or any hobby store will generally have supplies of them.
Scraping off mould lines is pretty easy, just be gentle and be prepared to go over a line several times to remove it softly rather than try to cut it away in one go. A scalpel has the bonus that the point is very thin and can get into tight spots that files can't easily get into.

2) Filing sticks/emeryboards/nailfiles etc.... Basically a sheet of sanding paper affixed to a firm back makes a file. Now the bonus here is that you can make your own with some regular glue and some wood (lollipop and cocktail sticks work great - you can even sand down the lollipop sticks to be a bit flatter to fit into tighter gaps). Making your own is cheaper in the long run and you can grade them how you want - ebay often has sets of sanding papers to pick up. I would say a range from 300 to 900 grit would be good to look into. Any coarser (smaller number) and its going to scratch and bite into the material too much; whilst any finer and it can tickle a bit too lightly, though it will be great for smoothing.

3) Files - these come in two kinds, toothed and diamond. The basic difference is that toothed have ridged teeth set in a pattern which perform the cut. They will typically cut only when moving in one direction and can come in a variety of grades - though many don't mention their grade. I would buy quality ones - dirt cheap ones can be poorly cast - I would expect most hobby shops to sell decent quality ones.

Toothed files will get material stuck between the gaps so you need to pick up a brass brush to clean them with - just brush them with the brass brush in line with the direction of the teeth and they'll sweep out the gunk. Soft materials block them up far quicker.

Diamond files are different and will cut in any direction. This can be really good for models because someitmes you've tight gaps so a diamond file can work its way into them and work even if its not moving in the normal back-forward direction. Diamond files also come in various grades exactly like sand paper (far as I'm aware they use the same or a very similar grade system).

Some small 600 Grit files are good - and if you go to the link below you can get a rare 900 grit which are great for smoothing over an area (far as I can find that link below is the only place that sells the 900 in a small size).
Diamond files are cleaned by taking a regular hard rubber and rubbing the file on the rubber to clean out the gunk - it will tear up lots of the rubber, but you can see the difference and feel the performance difference. That said my 900 I really love but they will clock up FAST.



These days my go-to tools are a 900 grip half round file and a scalpel and the blade does most of the cleaning work.



Glue - GW plastic glue has a slightly poor reputation, which is a shame because most of their tools are generally good quality (if somewhat to very overpriced). Revell Contacta glue is the glue I use currently - good quality and with a thin nozzle to direct it. Note any of the metal nozzles can block with dried glue after use (even if you put the cap on). Simply remove the metal rod and use an open flame to burn the glue out of it. A match or lighter works great for this - just remember to burn both ends. Then wipe off the soot that will gather on it and you're good to go.
Remember if you're doing conversions which involve attaching materials other than plastic you'll want some superglue too - Locktite Superglue Brush On is a good little pot with a brush to stroke the glue where you need it.
You wont need glue to put the greenstuff on (its sticky enough when worked); but if you were attaching resin or metal parts or a fully cured (hard) greenstuff creation you would need the superglue not plastic glue.


3) Greenstuff is great for working into gaps and joins to clean up a model from a conversion. Plastics normally don't need it for general gaps, but resin or metal can benefit from it. I use bot hthe two part greenstuff (regular greenstuff) for larger gaps; whilst liquid fillers I find work best at filling gaps where they've support on all sides. So filling a bubble hole or such. They are less good at filling strips or larger holes - for those regular is great.

Note when working with greenstuff keep the tools you use with it wet - a quick dab in some water will help the greenstuff not stick to the tool.
Also get some colourshapers (also called clay shapers). They aren't much at most hobby stores for a set of 5 or so and they are fantastic for working with greenstuff. They let you smooth it over like you would with your finger, but the silicon heads don't have fingerprints so you get no marks like you would with your finger. They come in 3 harnesses, black (hardest), grey and white (softest). If you only got one set I'd get a set of black.



I keep meaning to write all this up in one big post one day, but if you want a bit more I've got something I wrote for some resin models (most of the methods are the same); it also has the link for the diamond files that I noted above.

General cleaning and construction (I also talk about pinning in this which is a good skill to learn esp for conversions)
https://warminiatures.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/relthoza-vaxiss-ground-attack-leviathan-assembly-guide/

A conversion but its where I talk about the files and link to them - there's also a neat video
https://warminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/07/05/blood-angels-of-khaine-a-conversion/

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I use pin files, I have a set of about 10 and were bought about 20 years ago from maplin for £5 or so.

They come in various shapes, round square flat triangle I'm impressed they've lasted this long.

I'm sure you can find a set on Ebay

Also I use an xacto copy, it has various blades which make cleaning up resin easy

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Straight out if the pot, bang it on. What else is there to know?
 DV8 wrote:
Blood Angels Furioso Dreadnought should also be double-fisted.
 
   
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle





Portsmouth UK

my tips:
I use files, the blades of blades, the back of blades, the mold line scraper from GW (I get everything else from places like ebay & Amazon), nail files the (mostly) women use - the type that you can get in the Co-Op which are basically wet & dry paper stuck to card (these you can cut to shape to make really small wet & dry sanding files), wet & dry paper superglued onto wax carvers (small sculpting tools).
The most useful shape of file I've found over the years is half-round.

for fillers, I use Green Stuff, Milliput, GS mixed with Milliput, Brown Stuff & Procreate.
You can get GS in 'bulk' - eg here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Green-Stuff-Yellow-Epoxy-Putty/dp/B002MB61RQ/ref=sr_1_22?keywords=kneadite&qid=1568670566&sr=8-22
That's almost 100g worth (GW charge £7 for a 20g strip) with no waste (with the strip type, the central section is waste as the 2 compound have reacted with each other). Top tip - keep it in the freezer to keep it fresh. Use clippers to take what you need.

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Walking Dead Wraithlord






For mould lines I use:

Exacto knife - Sharp/blunt edge/point depending on what it is

The GW mould remover scraper- This is one of the few products I really rate from GW. You can get with crappy clippers in a starter paint set. Probably the best value on anything P&M they do s you get paints, brush, clippers and mould remover. So if you haven't got any of the tools this is really good IMO.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Aos-Paints-tools-Eng-spa-port-latv-rom-2018.

However everything else that they sell solo: their clippers, files exacto etc. are ridiculously overpriced. The mini saw is nice though. But the mould scraper & paint handles I rate really highly.

Electric mini Dremel - You can get a Nail painting accessory set from amazon really cheap and works great on models. Rate this highly

Good old fashioned sand paper - You can pick up a roll of 1400+ grade paper from Halfords for peanuts compared to what modelling shops will charge

The nail filing pads I'm actually not a big fan of personally but they are really good for smoothing out larger areas.




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