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Before the release of the supplement, I heard that it would be possible to use a stratagem to take a Warlord Trait on another character besides your Warlord, but I can't find the ability to do that anywhere in the supplement. Was this a fake rumor, or is there something I'm missing?
(Note: For balance's sake, I'm hoping it's not possible.)

It's in the Codex, not the supplement. Pg. 183 "Hero of the Chapter".

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
It's in the Codex, not the supplement. Pg. 183 "Hero of the Chapter".

Darn, I'd missed that. Thank you!

Note that you can make an IH dreadnought into a character with the stratagem march of the ancients, and use hero of the chapter to give it a warlord trait.

 p5freak wrote:
Note that you can make an IH dreadnought into a character with the stratagem march of the ancients, and use hero of the chapter to give it a warlord trait.

That's what I'm worried about. Leviathans with Student of History seem blatantly OP to me.

The Paragon of Iron stratagem allows you to give any Iron Hands character (other than a named character) a warlord trait.

Including a character dreadnought, of course.

If you so desire, you can make use of both Paragon of Iron and Hero of the Chapter.

I think there's also a way to give a non-Warlord a Warlord Trait if you really want to get Trait happy.

 MinMax wrote:
The Paragon of Iron stratagem allows you to give any Iron Hands character (other than a named character) a warlord trait.

Including a character dreadnought, of course.

Yes, you can use it on a char dread. Paragon of iron is used to give your non named IH character warlord a second warlord trait. You cant give any IH character a warlord trait.

 MinMax wrote:

If you so desire, you can make use of both Paragon of Iron and Hero of the Chapter.

Agreed. A leviathan character dread with two warlord traits

Waaaghpower wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Note that you can make an IH dreadnought into a character with the stratagem march of the ancients, and use hero of the chapter to give it a warlord trait.

That's what I'm worried about. Leviathans with Student of History seem blatantly OP to me.

Oh, yes. I already painted mine black

 MinMax wrote:

If you so desire, you can make use of both Paragon of Iron and Hero of the Chapter.

Hero of the Chapter has to be used on a non-Warlord. (And works on a named Warlord)

If Paragon of Iron is the equivalent of the US Exemplar of The Chapter - it can only be used on your (non-named) Warlord (and gives your Warlord a second Warlord Trait) - as long as your Warlord is a character the first Warlord Trait is free.

So you can make use of both, but not on the same model. You could turn your Dread into a character and then your Warlord, getting their first trait (and assumption above) use Paragon of Iron to give your Character Dread a second WL Trait, then use Hero of the Chapter to give Feirros his Warlord Trait.

Can't make a Dread a character and have it as your warlord. you can take a character dread like a chaplain though.

no double trait leviathans

Skankmarron wrote:
Can't make a Dread a character and have it as your warlord. you can take a character dread like a chaplain though.

no double trait leviathans

Yes, you can do that.

March of the Machines,

After nominating a model to be your warlord, select a dreadnought to be a character.

so that dread cant be warlord.

Edit - Dread can be warlord but will not get a free trait

 p5freak wrote:

Skankmarron wrote:
Can't make a Dread a character and have it as your warlord. you can take a character dread like a chaplain though.

no double trait leviathans

Yes, you can do that.

The quote I saw said you can only use the Stratagem to turn the Dread into a character after you've chosen your Warlord. So while I suppose you could choose the non character Dread as your Warlord, THEN use the Strat you're too late to get the first one free meaning No, you can't get the double trait Dread Warlord. I suggest you read the rules.

Ok, a small misunderstanding, sorry. You can make a dread a character and you can give it a warlord trait with hero of the chapter. The dread isnt your warlord, so you cant use paragon of iron to give it a second warlord trait.

Can anyone tell me why you can’t take a second warlord trait? Selecting the warlord trait for a warlord is actually the last action before deployment. Both the strategems happen first. It never said you can’t become a character after becoming a warlord.

Hero of the chapter is used on a character, to give him a warlord trait. Paragon of iron is used on your warlord, to give him a second warlord trait. You cant use paragon of iron on the character dread, because it isnt the warlord.

That’s not the skill you take.

First you select a warlord (doesn’t need to be a character)

Second you take march of ancients, which makes warlord into a character.

Then you take paragon of iron, which gives another warlord trait to a character.

Last you select the warlord trait you get for being a warlord.

In fact, giving the free warlord trait must be done RIGHT BEFORE deployment and is the last predeployment event. There is absolutely no mention of you needing to be a character at the moment you became a warlord.

Umm, you can't give a second Warlord Trait before you give the first one. That's just common sense.

If you want to apply common sense then that problem isn’t exclusive to the Dreadnought. ALL characters must get their free warlord trait at the end of predeployment. What you are arguing is that you can’t get a second warlord trait before the first. In which case, that interpretation just means the strategem is broken and doesn’t work for anyone.

You must get the second warlord trait right after selecting a warlord. But you cannot have the first warlord trait until just before deployment. If you want to use this interpretation it just means that that strategem doesn’t do anything in the game.

GameDadZ wrote:
That’s not the skill you take.

First you select a warlord (doesn’t need to be a character)

Second you take march of ancients, which makes warlord into a character.

Then you take paragon of iron, which gives another warlord trait to a character.

Last you select the warlord trait you get for being a warlord.

In fact, giving the free warlord trait must be done RIGHT BEFORE deployment and is the last predeployment event. There is absolutely no mention of you needing to be a character at the moment you became a warlord.

First is correct. Second is wrong. March of the ancients gives a dreadnought the character keyword. Paragon of iron can only be used on your actual warlord, the one you picked in the first step. Hero of the chapter is used on the dreadnought, to give it a warlord trait. The dread isnt your warlord, it only gets a warlord trait from the stratagem.

 alextroy wrote:
Umm, you can't give a second Warlord Trait before you give the first one. That's just common sense.

IF correct that the ability/check to get the Warlord Trait is when the Warlord Trait is chosen - then so is the second Warlord Trait

So far, I can't argue against their RAW - You nominate the Warlord, you make it a character, you give it the second trait strat, when it comes around to Deployment, you get to pick/randomly roll for two - Or when it comes around to Deployment, you pick the first one, then use the strat for a second and generate it (technically you could use this strat to generate a second at any time even during the game as it's still "After" nominating non-named character to be your warlord - and (still) assuming it's the same as Exemplar of the Chapter just reworded for IH, at least one of which MUST come from the IH list and both must be unique

This means (In a UM Army) if you have Telion as your Warlord, you can't use Hero of The Chapter on Tiggy so they both have a warlord trait, as both are locked into Master of Strategy. (as is I think Chronus, but his is in the FAQ and I'm too lazy to look it up right now mostly because it doesn't matter enough, this is just an example).


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 p5freak wrote:

GameDadZ wrote:
That’s not the skill you take.

First you select a warlord (doesn’t need to be a character)

Second you take march of ancients, which makes warlord into a character.

Then you take paragon of iron, which gives another warlord trait to a character.

Last you select the warlord trait you get for being a warlord.

In fact, giving the free warlord trait must be done RIGHT BEFORE deployment and is the last predeployment event. There is absolutely no mention of you needing to be a character at the moment you became a warlord.

First is correct. Second is wrong. March of the ancients gives a dreadnought the character keyword. Paragon of iron can only be used on your actual warlord, the one you picked in the first step. Hero of the chapter is used on the dreadnought, to give it a warlord trait. The dread isnt your warlord, it only gets a warlord trait from the stratagem.

The second isn't exactly wrong, based on their idea that Warlord Traits are later in the process. Paragon and Last are potentially flipped though.

1) select the Dread as your Warlord (legal - currently no Warlord Trait)
2) take Master of Ancients, turning the Dread into a Character.
3) Either Paragon of Iron, OR Select First Warlord Trait - depending on how you read the timing of "After" vs Selecting Warlord Traits in pre-deployment
4) The other of Paragon of Iron OR Select First Warlord Trait
5) Select ADDITIONAL Warlord Trait -

As I read the UM corollary (Again assuming the wording for Paragon of Iron and Exemplar of the Chapter are functionally the same just tailored to the chapter flavor/keyword text) the strat says you get an additional Warlord Trait, not a Second. 1 Warlord Trait is an additional 1 to zero, so even the timing doesn't matter. If you use Paragon of Iron during list creation - after non-named Warlord Selection but long before pre-deployment you can generate one additional Warlord trait more than the zero a non-character Warlord receives. Then when you get to Pre-deployment, you can check to see if the Dread is a Warlord and a Character and give it the "first" or "default" or whatever you want to call the Trait they get for being a character warlord. As mentioned earlier its even theoretically possible to use the CP to give your non-named Warlord a second Warlord Trait as a tactical surprise on turn 6 (assuming the guy is still alive to make it worthwhile), as it's still after naming a non-named Warlord.

I'm picking up what they're putting down.

Most of the strats involved are "before the battle" with "March of the Ancients" having 1 specific timing rule on it. So the order of operations to make it work:

1)nominate the dread as warlord.
2) march of ancients the dread into a character.
3)immediately before deployment, select warlord trait on now-character dread.
4)interupt between selecting warlord trait and immediately after deploying to paragon of iron for second warlord trait.

However, the way that both strats are worded, do not be surprised to have the FAQ state we cannot do this.

People should read the rules on selecting a warlord.

As it is, it either works on the dreadnoughts or it doesn’t work on anything.

FREE Warlord trait is chosen LAST. It specifically says right before deployment phase. No matter what, the free warlord trait activates at the end of the pregame phase and both match of ancients and paragon of iron MUST happen before you actually choose your free warlord trait.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:


However, the way that both strats are worded, do not be surprised to have the FAQ state we cannot do this.

I've got to be honest, I'd be very surprised if they FAQ something this CP intensive for an army that doesn't have the Loyal 32.

But yes, I'm not entirely sure what they meant to do, but the did make it seem like they didn't want us doing this.