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I thought the general rule is that a unit can only count as being in 1 detachment. So that even if a unit was called for in two different detachments you needed to have two separate units (one for each). What happens when a detachment is included in another detachment? Do units get both benefits or do you get to pick which benefit you gain or do you only gain the larger detachment's benefit?

When a battalion is nestled within a second battalion then the units get the benefits from both.

You don't often see this as many of those nestled within battalions tend to go way over the 2K point value. Eg Daughters of Khaine have one and it easily goes well over 5K points to field (even with all units at their minimum unit size)

The 'Squigalanche' battalion (which requires a 'Squig Rider Stampede' battalion) is an example of one you're likely to see in a 2,000 point game.

Does anyone ever use those huge formations? Is there an equivalent of Apocalypse in AoS or does GW just assume that people play large point games?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Does anyone ever use those huge formations? Is there an equivalent of Apocalypse in AoS or does GW just assume that people play large point games?

AoS hasn't got an "apoc" rules version as yet; however nothing stops people using them save for the size of their own collection and their local gaming club. It's just that most games tend to be in the 2K bracket. You imght push up to 3K for some, but otherwise going into 5K is rarer.

A side question- If a detachment calls for a unit and there is a specific character that has the same keywords can you substitute the character for the general unit? For example can I use Volturnos as part of the royal council detachment or must I use the Akhellion King model to fulfill the required slot?

I also have a question about the big formations. Can units double dip?

If the squigalanche calls for a Loonboss on Mangler squig, and the Squig hopper stampede also asks for a Loonboss on mangler squig. Can I take one to fill both requirements?

A unit can not normally be in two detachments at the same time. That's why I asked my question. If your unit is in a detachment and that detachment is folded into another detachment then you get both abilities. But , 1 unit can't be part of 2 different detachments.

At least that's my understanding of the rules based on the above answers.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:A side question- If a detachment calls for a unit and there is a specific character that has the same keywords can you substitute the character for the general unit? For example can I use Volturnos as part of the royal council detachment or must I use the Akhellion King model to fulfill the required slot?

Battalion content is based on keywords, so as long as you've got the right keywords in the warscroll you can use them.

balmong7 wrote:I also have a question about the big formations. Can units double dip?

If the squigalanche calls for a Loonboss on Mangler squig, and the Squig hopper stampede also asks for a Loonboss on mangler squig. Can I take one to fill both requirements?

As noted above you cannot have the same model in more than one battalion.
A battalion can form part of another battalion and thus the models within get two bonuses; but far as I'm aware of all the battletomes, this is the only time it would happen.

 Overread wrote:

balmong7 wrote:I also have a question about the big formations. Can units double dip?

If the squigalanche calls for a Loonboss on Mangler squig, and the Squig hopper stampede also asks for a Loonboss on mangler squig. Can I take one to fill both requirements?

As noted above you cannot have the same model in more than one battalion.
A battalion can form part of another battalion and thus the models within get two bonuses; but far as I'm aware of all the battletomes, this is the only time it would happen.

That's the case with the squigalanche. The squig hopper stampede is a requirement to make it a squigalanche. So the Mangler squig would be a legal choice to fill both at once?

Of course it's an edge case so GW never bothered to make it clear how it works. lol

Does the Tome state:
Squigalanche requires Squighopper Stampede with Mangler squig

or

Squigalanace requires Squighopper Stepede and Mangler Squig


In the former the mangler is part of the stampede battalion, in the latter its a separate mangler.

without the actual written out words from the Tome its hard to tell which it should be.

Thanks for the response.

 Overread wrote:
Does the Tome state:
Squigalanche requires Squighopper Stampede with Mangler squig

or

Squigalanace requires Squighopper Stepede and Mangler Squig


In the former the mangler is part of the stampede battalion, in the latter its a separate mangler.

without the actual written out words from the Tome its hard to tell which it should be.