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Anyone recommend a dark grey as a base colour, I am going to try painting some Necrons, I want to make them very dark grey (but not black nor metallic) and then I will do the energy a very light blue.
I'm stuck with the colour though, looking at GW range, nothing suits other than eshin grey, but that's a layer paint.
Anything in the vajello range (or other) that'll make a good opaque base coat which is a really dark grey?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I seen a Necron army painted this way on a battle report, they were very dark grey base coat, but not black, obviously after highlighting they look very much grey not black, but, still pretty dark.
The energy areas (for lack of a better term) were painted with a very light, almost white blue and they looked great.
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My experience of three pots of Eshin Grey is that GW calling it a layer paint isn't correct. Its consistency - as I've experienced - has always been that of a GW Base paint. I find it is always exceptionally thick and needs a lot of thinning. That does however mean it may work for your needs.
Could just be (exceptionally) bad luck on my part though!
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GW's new Corvus Black is pretty nice, you can also use Stegadon Scale green with heavy shading to make a super dark blue that would highlight with blue nicely.
Modock wrote: Vallejo has plenty of great dark greys.
Quick...from top of my head:
Game Color extra opaque heavy charcoal
Model Color German grey
Model Color Black Grey
These are very dark near black greys, how dark do you want them?
Hi thanks again for this, tried the Heavy Charcoal and German Grey, honestly I cannot tell the difference colour wise, so will go with the Charcoal as its supposidly more opaque and Im using it as a base coat.
Modock wrote: Vallejo has plenty of great dark greys.
Quick...from top of my head:
Game Color extra opaque heavy charcoal
Model Color German grey
Model Color Black Grey
These are very dark near black greys, how dark do you want them?
Hi thanks again for this, tried the Heavy Charcoal and German Grey, honestly I cannot tell the difference colour wise, so will go with the Charcoal as its supposidly more opaque and Im using it as a base coat.
I believe you're misunderstanding what Vallejo has said about the Extra Opaque paints:
Extra Opaque Game Color: A series of extra opaque colors are included in the range; they cover all primers and bases in one coat. These high opacity colors contain more pigment and are less fluid than the regular Game Color series.
They have better coverage than the other Game Coor paints, but they're not any better than the Model Color paints (which use a different formulation than the Game Color paints) because the Extra Opaques use the same formulation as the Model Color paints. In fact, the Extra Opaques are just relabeled versions of existing Model Color paints.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Modock wrote: Vallejo has plenty of great dark greys.
Quick...from top of my head:
Game Color extra opaque heavy charcoal
Model Color German grey
Model Color Black Grey
These are very dark near black greys, how dark do you want them?
Hi thanks again for this, tried the Heavy Charcoal and German Grey, honestly I cannot tell the difference colour wise, so will go with the Charcoal as its supposidly more opaque and Im using it as a base coat.
Modock wrote: Vallejo has plenty of great dark greys.
Quick...from top of my head:
Game Color extra opaque heavy charcoal
Model Color German grey
Model Color Black Grey
These are very dark near black greys, how dark do you want them?
Hi thanks again for this, tried the Heavy Charcoal and German Grey, honestly I cannot tell the difference colour wise, so will go with the Charcoal as its supposidly more opaque and Im using it as a base coat.
I believe you're misunderstanding what Vallejo has said about the Extra Opaque paints:
Extra Opaque Game Color: A series of extra opaque colors are included in the range; they cover all primers and bases in one coat. These high opacity colors contain more pigment and are less fluid than the regular Game Color series.
They have better coverage than the other Game Coor paints, but they're not any better than the Model Color paints (which use a different formulation than the Game Color paints) because the Extra Opaques use the same formulation as the Model Color paints. In fact, the Extra Opaques are just relabeled versions of existing Model Color paints.
From my experience, I own almost all opaques and gak ton of model color paints, is that opaques have just a bit more pigment in it, well it feels that way.
Yes they say is the same formulation as model color. They are ment to be base colors for the designed tone but with a maximum coverage, I like them a lot.
4.2. Are the new extra opaque colors in Game Color similar to Model Color? Yes, for these 16 Extra Opaque colors, the Model Color formula was used, since the viscosity of this formula supplies the opacity needed for a quick, one- coat base or foundation application.
4.4. Are the colors in Game Color the same as in Model Color, only more liquid? No, we produced a selection of colors designed for Fantasy Figures, and although the basic colors (red, blue, etc.) may be alike, the major part of the range will not have any match in Model Color, always excepting the 16 colors in the Extra Opaque series, which have exact equivalents in the Model Color range.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
I knew that, I read that before, but pigmentation feels really high in those. Maybe they specially selected the ones that are very opaque.
Also some colors are unique and are not available in model color range, like heavy warm grey and heavy orange.
To me when they say "... the Model Color formula was used..." that doesn't mean that they changed it by adding extra pigments, etc.
And as far as I can tell, Heavy Warm Grey should be VMC 70.988 Khaki and Heavy Orange should be VMC 70.805 German Orange.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
I love heavy charcoal and use it as a first layer over a black baseocat. It's quite thick though, even for a basecoat I'd probably thin it down a tiny bit
Ghaz wrote: To me when they say "... the Model Color formula was used..." that doesn't mean that they changed it by adding extra pigments, etc.
And as far as I can tell, Heavy Warm Grey should be VMC 70.988 Khaki and Heavy Orange should be VMC 70.805 German Orange.
Prolly they didn't change it but they feel thicker. I'm in the middle of a project and I just used heavy charcoal which I put a 6mm steinless bead and
during shakiing it's hardly moving...
Oh, heavy warm grey is nothing like khaki it's a purplsh sking tone and the heavy orange is a rosy orange but more saturated than german orange.
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Second the heavy charcoal. Such a good paint. Nearly black with a couple of black washes. Great coverage. Love it.
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Snake Tortoise wrote: I love heavy charcoal and use it as a first layer over a black baseocat. It's quite thick though, even for a basecoat I'd probably thin it down a tiny bit
Always thin all your paints but especially base paints.
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Oh yea I did need to water it down a fair bit, good paint though, absolutely perfect for the look I am going with on these Necrons, covers well also.
Use that coat, wash black, then dry brush (because I'm not sitting there edge highlighting mass numbers of troops) Dawnstone, then very lightly again with model colour silver grey.
Really pleased with it.
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I love Heavy Charcoal - is it correct that VMC German Grey is the same colour?
(Side note about the extra opaques: has anyone else tried thinning and glazing with them? I think there's a lot of white pigment in them that makes it difficult).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Yes, according to Vallejo heavy charcoal is black but It's not...it's a warmer dark grey but definitely not black and regarding German Grey I'd say is a bit colder.
Those charts are offen very misleading, in game color chart comparison it says that opaque heavy red is equivalent to MC red leather but in fact they are
nothing alike, one is a darker red the other is an orangy brown.
The picture is not perfect and it's not 100% accurate but the difference is very obvious...black vs. heavy charcoal.
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