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Dublin, Ireland

How longs a piece of string I guess but whats a general guide line selling price for:

Sealed unopened box
Not sealed unopened box
Opened box but all on sprue (instructions, bases etc included)
Just sprues (no box)
Assembled models - unpainted/primed
Assembled models - painted

thanks!

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It's my observation that the price on the first four options doesn't vary a huge amount - most gamers want the sprue untained and building the model how they want is the important part to them.

There might be a slight boost for sealed boxes as then there's less risk of damaged/missing parts and such. Meanwhile a model clipped off the sprue (so all the parts present) might go for a bit less, but typically not much less esp if you show a photo with all the parts laid out to show that they are present.


As for how much that varies sometimes down to specific kits. For example an out of production TombKings kit or High elf can go for GW retail cost or more, often the longer since they went out of production the higher the value goes because stock of out of production unbuilt plastics always goes down.

Meanwhile something currently in production is, at best, going to sell for what your local 3rd party store charges (because why would anyone spend more when they can get it for less at a 3rd party store); and often as not might go for even less (as people searching secondhand are "looking for a deal" anyway otherwise they'd be on the retail store).


As for painted it adds no value to the model and will oftne devalue plastics and the like because the new owner will want to strip them. VERY highgrade painting can sell though, but often you'll have more luck with a standard GW paint scheme than with something funky of your own (though its all i the eye of the beholder)


Another aspect is metal vs plastic. Metals paint strip really easily with almost no risk to the model so they can hold value quite well even when painted. Really bad glue gunk might wel lower the value as would bad cleaning or otherwise damage to the model.
If the metal model is out of production they can go up quite a lot. The Diaz Deamonettes go for insane amounts on ebay because they are, again, limited in supply and a popular sculpt. All of which helps drive the price of them up. Meanwhile some other old metals are not as popular and the prices either go down or they stay at a steady high because there's only one overpriced store left holding stock on ebay.



It's not simple but in general expect diminishing returns as you go down your list; whilst popular out of production models might raise the better their condition.

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Sealed boxes are more valuable when they're particularly old and therefore somewhat collectible kits... But otherwise, yeah, it's not going to make much difference.

 
   
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Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

Thanks peeps. And in terms of an actual % off?
Like spit-balling - an unopened chaos landraider that has RRP of €65?

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Eh its hard to say because it can vary so much on a specific model. Best option is head over to ebay and search for SOLD LISTINGS on the item and then see what kind of ballpark figures are being spent.


Also note that I forgot to mention two important things time and exposure. The faster you want to sell the lower the price will often go. This is not a hard and fast rule and there are limits beyond which an item simply won't sell at (because you're way overpriced).
However in general the higher the price the slower something will sell. This increases even more if you'er selling a block of models together.

Similarly the more you advertise the greater your pool of interested parties and thus, again, the higher the potential price might go. If you advertise on one forum and never bump the thread ever you might never sell stuff; if you advertise on several forums, facebook, local gamer club etc... then you've increased your net a lot and have more chance of finding your buyer.

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Sealed unopened box - Depends on whether it's OOP. As Overread says, you tend to find that selling these second hand should and often go for slightly less than the RRP from GW or a third party. If they're OOP they can go much higher. I've sold a Planet Killer BFG model, BNIB for over £100.

Not sealed unopened box - Bearing in mind the above factors, if its a current model, probably anywhere between 80 and 90% of the RRP.

Opened box but all on sprue (instructions, bases etc included) - bearing in mind all above factors, probably not much different from Not sealed and unopened.

Just sprues (no box) - This is where things get tricky because of recasts, especially with Forgeworld things. I've seen a massive variety here and it can depend on the day but usually can go for about 50%, it will depend on how convinced the buyers are that it's a legit model as if they're convinced, there's no reason these can't be as valuable as the above.

Assembled models - unpainted/primed - These can still go for quite high if they're the right model. Tyrant Guard are an example, i've seen primed sets of three go for full GW RRP. I've bought both Magnus and Mortarion in this state for £40 each as both partially assembled. I also snagged a Greater Brass Scorpion in this state for £65 with its forgeworld proofs.

Assembled models - painted - depends entirely on the paint job and the quality of the pictures in addition to the model. I've seen some truly poor paint jobs (professionally painted liars) sell total trash for 200% of the original rrp and then nice paint jobs as stand a lone models (literally GD quality) go for relative pennies. I've seen actual rule book models and golden daemon winners go for hundred or thousands though. It can depend on a lot here. The average table top quality model will depend on if it's in an army, painted to suit the common colours and then you may get up to 70% of its RRP. A poorly painted model that's still in production, you could struggle to sell or be looking at 10% of rrp, possibly not even worth the time you used to mess it up in the first place.

The thing with eBay is you find there are some trends and types of sellers.

The Troll Trader, for example, tends to sell things much higher than they're generally worth (yet somehow stay in business, I can only assume it's down to their admittedly lovely customer service and just the sheer volume of things they sell). You can get a lot of people who do the second hand as a business trying to pull off Buy It Now prices at quite high but then you'll get others who will happily auction (aawargames).

Then you've got the 'is it competitive?' trend. The going rate for a model on eBay will be seriously impacted if it's particularly competitive. A Monolith, The Deceiver and Tervigon are good examples of this as all were competitive choices in earlier editions, happily going for their near full price even when built and poorly painted but now, you could likely swipe a base coated monolith for £10-£15, similar with a Tervigon and Deceiver. Tyrannofex and Exocrine are the opposite examples. Used to be able to get both for less than £20, good luck with that now!

Rarity and 'iconic' status helps. The Unleashed C'tan model that's still in production but only available through the large LOW set goes for insane prices (sometimes over 50% of the Tesseract vault) because you can only get it in that set and as Overread mentioned OOP metal models can go very high if they're popular and still relevant. Diaz Daemonettes are the best example of this. These are very tiny pewter models that can, in almost any state, reliably sell for the better part of a tenner each yet you might find an OOP SM from the same era struggling to fetch a quid. On the other hand, with the release of conquest, you've found a brief influx of things which has meant a few price drops - assembled plagueburst crawlers going for £20. Box sets often throw out a lot but then people will get cheeky and try sell you them for their RRP as unassembled still on sprue when anyone with their screwed on knows they came from a box set being worth much less.

Forgeworld models always go high, OOP, painted, unpainted - high. They do tend to follow similar trends as above but are some of the most recast things for Warhammer so you need to be wary.

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Macon, GA

There is no general % of RRP price that can be meaningfully shared. There are some trends, with Vehicles and monsters rarely selling for less than half of retail regardless of condition, while characters from start boxes have crazy low value. Why? It comes down to supply and demand. I wrote about that at length here: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/778075.page

We can all buy anything in distribution at 15% off, with free shipping, so anything sold second hand is going to be less than that. In the US at least, getting more than 80% of retail for anything is unusual, and often related to some quirk in availability. As long as the pictures are good, there isn't a huge spread between on sprue and NIB. Maybe a 5% difference.

Once built, the price plummets, with nicely built models usually selling for closer to poorly painted than unbuilt.

In the end, all it takes is one seller and one buyer to establish virtually any price for an item. I've bought things for 10% of RRP, and sold for more. But on the whole, you're probably going to get ~80% for stuff on sprue, ~50-60% for built/painted in demand units, and 30-40% for low demand built and painted units.

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Made in ie
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Dublin, Ireland

Cheers, those %s are a decent place to start.

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Macon, GA

 Ratius wrote:
Cheers, those %s are a decent place to start.


Please take them with a complete grain of salt. An hour spent on eBay scrolling through sold auctions similar to whatever you want to buy/sell will tell you way more than some rule of thumb.

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KOW Ogres: 4500 points
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Just some tips from someone who eBays a ton..(read: $10,000+) worth of 40K stuff.

As mentioned above, the top four of your list are more or less the same, though a couple bucks difference. For new stuff you're competing with every other "new" seller and retail store, meaning they bought it cheaper than you did and they have shipping contracts to ship effectively/cheaper than you can. Unless you sell locally for 15% off (matching retailers more or less) there's no incentive for people to buy from you beyond price. In the US the retail discount max is 15% for new GW products - though companies get around this by offering free shipping which is another form of discount when ordering online.

So, depending on where you live, you have to beat the standard online-price that someone can buy from. You have to beat it by enough to get noticed. If a new Chaos Land Raider is $65 USD, it will be $55.25 w/ free shipping here in the US. So, you have to beat that. Maybe $50 with free shipping would get some attention.

Assembled and un-primed is the second tier, but you have to assemble the item properly. These will sell for varying degrees depending on how "hot" the item is in the game at the moment. If it's strong/good, you could sell it for $45 shipped or so. If it's an old unit or a crap unit that no one is using, plan on $35 shipped. If assembled incorrectly or poorly (and it's visible)...expect sub $30 to really shift it quick.

Painted is a conundrum. If it's painted well you can sell it for anywhere from RRP to 3-4-5x RRP. If it's painted crap, expect $35-40 shipped again, or less...depending on how bad it is. If it's not a quality or good paintjob all you're selling is something people need to strip down to recover/repaint, so you're adding work to the process.

Basically take the online discount price with free shipping....and compare that to what you're selling. Every single person will look at your item, and then say "Well, I could get a new one in box for $________". You have to beat that consideration by value.

PS: You should be able to find what items sell for in Italy. Also, even if you're not eBaying stuff yourself and selling locally - eBay is a great place to compare prices...because anyone who would buy the item off you in person would likely be shopping on eBay as well, so you still need to beat that value. I see a lot of people locally trying to flip GW products in person...at full MSRP, something no one pays...ever. Then they wonder why no one is buying their stuff off of them.

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Macon, GA

He's in Ireland, not Italy, which is really only relevant because I would imagine the second hand market is weird in Italy, given how few sellers will ship there.

My Painted Armies
: Co. B, 37th Praetorian IG: 21,000pts
KOW Ogres: 4500 points
Loyalist Emperor's Children: 2500 points 
   
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You're absolutely right, I didn't look, just glanced and thought I saw red/white/green! Ireland would have a much larger/easier market for sure.

 
   
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UK

One more thing I just thought of. When trading through forums and the like you might get some people who are interested in buying, but who need more time to raise funds. So one consideration, if you don't need to fast-sell, is to offer people the chance to reserve models for sale.

That way they've got the time to raise the funds and you've got a sale even if its pending.

Of course take some basic precuations. Do check their posting history, you don't want someone "reserving" if they only appear to be on site once in a blue moon (or if you do then don't be surprised if they vanish). Also make sure you set a firm date for the payment and around half/part way along do double check (depends on the timescale really). Checking part way along is all about making sure they are still interested and that they've not forgotten/lost interested and just not said anything.

Keeping in good communication with them is important and be sure to let them know they can back out; better that they back out and you focus on finding a new customer than forcing them and potentially just resulting in the whole thing dragging out for weeks/months and you still not getting a sale.

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