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I was looking over the new rules and changes for Space Marines and I noticed something odd.

Concealed Positions: When you set up this unit during deployment, it can be set up anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" from the enemy deployment zone and any enemy models.

I first noticed this on the Primaris Infiltrator squad, but I've also double checked the Scouts, and even Sicarian Infiltrators for Mechanicus have this same wording... So does this rule do actually nothing now? You can already set up anywhere within your own deployment zone, and there is nigh always, save for some very specific scenarios, an already 9" buffer between the two deployment zones. Am I missing something? Is this a typo? Because as written this says "You can set this model up anywhere within your own deployment zone."

EDIT: Some deployment maps, Dawn of War, Hammer and Anvil, and Vanguard Strike, are 12", not 9". My mistake, though my question still stands.

Using the Standard Deployment Maps the Deployment Zones are either 18" or 24" apart, not 6".

beast_gts wrote:
Using the Standard Deployment Maps the Deployment Zones are either 18" or 24" apart, not 6".

Maybe in Apocalypse games where you have to shove 2+ tables together...

A normal game on a 6x4 is either 24 or 18" apart the only exception is the circle deployment map and even their it allows you to deploy in the two non deployment quarters

beast_gts wrote:
Using the Standard Deployment Maps the Deployment Zones are either 18" or 24" apart, not 6".

This.

Say you are using Dawn of War deployment on a 4' by 6' table. Your deployment zone stretched out 12", then there's 24" of no man's land, then 12" of opponent's deployment zone.

This ability allows you to place models anywhere in the first 15" of no man's land (provided the enemy hasn't deployed anything with a similar ability first), which you wouldn't normally be able to do.

It allows you to claim an objective that might otherwise be in No Mans Land, or threaten something you couldn’t see from your Deployment Zone. It still has uses.

Stigafel wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Using the Standard Deployment Maps the Deployment Zones are either 18" or 24" apart, not 6".

Maybe in Apocalypse games where you have to shove 2+ tables together...

Really? Let's see. 1st: closest point 18" between armies

2nd: for both 12" from center line aka 24" between armies.
3rd: 9" radius=18" diameter=18" between closest points of deployment zones.
4th: 24" between armies
5th: 18" between closest points
6th: 24" between armies.

Straight from rulebook.

If you started with 9" between deployment zones even foot troops could WALK and charge T1.

Minimum you have between armies is 18". This stratagem gets you within 9".

Standard table is 6'x4' aka 72"x48". Well many have 180cmx120cm so tad smaller than that. But here you end up with 18"/24"(bit more actually so in 24" between you need to move to get range for 24" guns) with ease.

Just to aid visibility, this means you could deploy a unit anywhere in the yellow highlighted area in this image:


As you can see, that lets you deploy a fair distance outside of your deployment zone.

tneva82 wrote:
3rd: 9" radius=18" diameter=18" between closest points of deployment zones.

This is not quite correct.

The closest points of deployment zones would be 12.72792 inches away. The 18" between deployment zones assumes you deploy directly opposite of your opponent.

If you deploy in the green as far up and left as you can go (Point B), and your opponent deploys in the red as far right and down as they can go (point A), you get something just over 12 inches.

Stigafel wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Using the Standard Deployment Maps the Deployment Zones are either 18" or 24" apart, not 6".

Maybe in Apocalypse games where you have to shove 2+ tables together...

So what size tables are you using?

 DeathReaper wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
3rd: 9" radius=18" diameter=18" between closest points of deployment zones.

This is not quite correct.

The closest points of deployment zones would be 12.72792 inches away. The 18" between deployment zones assumes you deploy directly opposite of your opponent.

If you deploy in the green as far up and left as you can go (Point B), and your opponent deploys in the red as far right and down as they can go (point A), you get something just over 12 inches.

You cannot deploy at point A/B with a round base.

Arson Fire wrote:
Just to aid visibility, this means you could deploy a unit anywhere in the yellow highlighted area in this image:


As you can see, that lets you deploy a fair distance outside of your deployment zone.

^^This. It's a pretty big deal to be able to drop certain units that much closer. Like, say the Invictor Warsuit with its 12" Flamer.

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 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
3rd: 9" radius=18" diameter=18" between closest points of deployment zones.

This is not quite correct.

The closest points of deployment zones would be 12.72792 inches away. The 18" between deployment zones assumes you deploy directly opposite of your opponent.

If you deploy in the green as far up and left as you can go (Point B), and your opponent deploys in the red as far right and down as they can go (point A), you get something just over 12 inches.

You cannot deploy at point A/B with a round base.

And your point being?

My math is correct, and allowing for a 1 inch round base you only lose a fraction of an inch on either side making the deployment, and the closest points, something just over 12 inches.

My point being you cannot deploy on point A/B, like you said.

Pedantry aside, hopefully the OP now has some insight into how the rule can be useful.

Indeed.


hope this resolves things.