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Looking to cook up a flamer based salamanders list. Currently, what I'm looking at is:


Salamanders Successor, Stealthy, Long-Range Marksmen

Battalion:

Captain on Bike, chainsword, storm shield - 100
Primaris Lieutenant, stalker rifle - 70

Scout Squad - 55
Scout Squad - 55
Scout Squad - 55

6 Aggressors, flamestorm gauntlets - 210
6 Assault Cents, flamers + hurricane bolters - 312
6 Assault Cents, flamers + hurricane bolters - 312

Battalion:

Librarian - 88
Primaris Chaplain - 77

Scout Squad - 55
Scout Squad - 55
Scout Squad - 55


Spearhead:

Primaris Chaplain - 77

Thunderfire - 92
Thunderfire - 92
Thunderfire - 92
Eliminators, bolt snipers - 72
Eliminators, bolt snipers - 72

I've toyed around with putting someone other than the captain on the bike and making him a smash captain with a jump pack.

I've thought about dropping the eliminators to turn the scouts into intercessors or incursors or both, or using the points to turn one of the chaplains into the chaplain dread.

Could also drop the eliminators and turn them into a normal mortis dread which could be a character if I want that detachment to be an iron hands successor.

I've thought about making the second battalion Raven guard or white scars so I can have early forward threats, but I have to say +3 to wound is just so spicy. With the lieutenant that's like a 97% wound rate against literally everything T7 and below. Which is honestly disgusting. Or a 77% wound rate against T8. That's just saying "hey Mr. Knight please take 56 AP -1 saves"

I think as long as self sacrifice still works on a character the list is completely fine. And even if it doesn't, I think I can still manage with that many threats hiding out of LOS.

Thoughts? Comments? Concerns?

With so much Infantry, you should easily be able to get cover without needing the Stealth trait. I'd swap that for Master Artisans (seriously one of the best traits period)

I'd also swap the stalker on your LT for an Auto BR and swap that for the Bellicous rifle (the Assault 4 S5 AP-1, D2 relic in the main marine dex)

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Unless I am mistaken

If you take Successor Chapter you can't choose any other chapter traits

 Sick Bag wrote:
Unless I am mistaken

If you take Successor Chapter you can't choose any other chapter traits

If you choose "Inheritors of the Primarchs" you are correct. But that isn't what we mean but being a Successor.
I am suggesting taking "Master Artisans" and "Long-range Marksmen" traits and then claim to be a Succesor of Salamanders via the Sallie Supplement and therefore you get the +1 to wound with Flamers & Melta with the Tactical doctrine is active. You would also count as SALAMANDERS for Stratagems, WL traits, etc.

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 Galef wrote:

 Sick Bag wrote:
Unless I am mistaken

If you take Successor Chapter you can't choose any other chapter traits

If you choose "Inheritors of the Primarchs" you are correct. But that isn't what we mean but being a Successor.
I am suggesting taking "Master Artisans" and "Long-range Marksmen" traits and then claim to be a Succesor of Salamanders via the Sallie Supplement and therefore you get the +1 to wound with Flamers & Melta with the Tactical doctrine is active. You would also count as SALAMANDERS for Stratagems, WL traits, etc.

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Interestingly you can also have different successor tactics for different detachments as far as I know and you can still be "pure salamanders" and get the flamer bonus as long as each detachment is either true salamanders or a salamanders successor.

Definitely agree that master artisans is spectacular in particular for eliminators/thunderfire cannons. Thinking I may make that detachment stealthy/master artisans while making the flamers long range marksmen/stealthy, as the benefit for master artisans is less of a big deal on big units like 6 full aggressors.

I think that's a good plan.

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I'm working on my own 2k Salamanders army and have 77 points to spare. Trying to figure out what to add. I want to keep vulkan in there even if he might be costing me points i can use elsewhere, at least for now.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [31 PL, 518pts,
++ 8CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot [8CP] +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ [10 PL, 159pts] +

Captain in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 99pts]: Camo cloak [3pts], Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine [6pts], Warlord

Lieutenants [5 PL, 60pts]
. Lieutenant [5 PL, 60pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword

+ Troops [13 PL, 195pts] +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant [11pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . 4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts]

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant [11pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . 4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts]

+ Heavy Support [8 PL, 164pts] +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant [24pts]: Bolt sniper rifle [3pts], Camo cloak [3pts] . 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper [48pts]: 2x Bolt sniper rifle [6pts], 2x Camo cloak [6pts]

Thunderfire Cannon [4 PL, 92pts]
. Techmarine Gunner [37pts]
. . Servo-harness [11pts]: Flamer [6pts], Plasma cutter [5pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [71 PL,
++ 1,405pts, 5CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot [5CP] +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ [13 PL, 223pts] +

Librarian [5 PL, 88pts]: Boltgun, Force sword [8pts]

Vulkan He'stan [8 PL, 135pts]

+ Troops [15 PL, 255pts] +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

+ Elites [28 PL, 603pts] +

Aggressor Squad [10 PL, 210pts]: 5x Aggressor [105pts], Aggressor Sergeant [21pts], Flamestorm Gauntlets [84pts]

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [4pts], Heavy bolter [10pts], Incendium cannon [15pts], 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber [12pts]

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [4pts], Heavy bolter [10pts], Incendium cannon [15pts], 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber [12pts]

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [4pts], Heavy bolter [10pts], Incendium cannon [15pts], 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber [12pts]

+ Heavy Support [15 PL, 324pts] +

Repulsor Executioner [15 PL, 324pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [8pts], Heavy Laser Destroyer [40pts], Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon [30pts], 2x Storm bolter [4pts], Twin Heavy Bolter [17pts], Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber [10pts]

++ Total: [102 PL, 13CP, 1,923pts] ++

landersloot wrote:
I'm working on my own 2k Salamanders army and have 77 points to spare. Trying to figure out what to add. I want to keep vulkan in there even if he might be costing me points i can use elsewhere, at least for now.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [31 PL, 518pts,
++ 8CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot [8CP] +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ [10 PL, 159pts] +

Captain in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 99pts]: Camo cloak [3pts], Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine [6pts], Warlord

Lieutenants [5 PL, 60pts]
. Lieutenant [5 PL, 60pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword

+ Troops [13 PL, 195pts] +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant [11pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . 4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts]

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant [11pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . 4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts]

+ Heavy Support [8 PL, 164pts] +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant [24pts]: Bolt sniper rifle [3pts], Camo cloak [3pts] . 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper [48pts]: 2x Bolt sniper rifle [6pts], 2x Camo cloak [6pts]

Thunderfire Cannon [4 PL, 92pts]
. Techmarine Gunner [37pts]
. . Servo-harness [11pts]: Flamer [6pts], Plasma cutter [5pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [71 PL,
++ 1,405pts, 5CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot [5CP] +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ [13 PL, 223pts] +

Librarian [5 PL, 88pts]: Boltgun, Force sword [8pts]

Vulkan He'stan [8 PL, 135pts]

+ Troops [15 PL, 255pts] +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor [68pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]

+ Elites [28 PL, 603pts] +

Aggressor Squad [10 PL, 210pts]: 5x Aggressor [105pts], Aggressor Sergeant [21pts], Flamestorm Gauntlets [84pts]

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [4pts], Heavy bolter [10pts], Incendium cannon [15pts], 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber [12pts]

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [4pts], Heavy bolter [10pts], Incendium cannon [15pts], 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber [12pts]

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [4pts], Heavy bolter [10pts], Incendium cannon [15pts], 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber [12pts]

+ Heavy Support [15 PL, 324pts] +

Repulsor Executioner [15 PL, 324pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [8pts], Heavy Laser Destroyer [40pts], Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon [30pts], 2x Storm bolter [4pts], Twin Heavy Bolter [17pts], Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber [10pts]

++ Total: [102 PL, 13CP, 1,923pts] ++

Take a drop pod so vulkan can buff your invictors right away.