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So, Emperor throne is failing and those geniuses from AdMech forgot how to repair it. Whats your theory about whats happen next to the Humanity after Emperors true death?

There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

a_typical_hero wrote:
There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

Emperor as chaos god of good..... Yikes!

a_typical_hero wrote:
There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

if humanity created a god, this is what should happen.

The emperor is nothing like the deified version of him, so there's no reason his soul should be bound to the totalitarian, genocidal, fascist smiter of enemies the imperium has created.

I'm not really a fan of the star child theory. I don't think the 40k setting would be made better by creating a real god emperor. it would just make the Imperium stronger and tip the scales against all the other factions. The imperium can currently hold them all at bay, including 4 chaos gods. Adding an actual god on the side of the imperium as well would give them too much power.

Hellebore wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

if humanity created a god, this is what should happen.

The emperor is nothing like the deified version of him, so there's no reason his soul should be bound to the totalitarian, genocidal, fascist smiter of enemies the imperium has created.

I'm not really a fan of the star child theory. I don't think the 40k setting would be made better by creating a real god emperor. it would just make the Imperium stronger and tip the scales against all the other factions. The imperium can currently hold them all at bay, including 4 chaos gods. Adding an actual god on the side of the imperium as well would give them too much power.

But look for Imperium now: literally split in 2, most chapters have severe casualties(even with primaris), Cadia went boom, Traitor primarchs keep coming from warp and THE ONLY LOYALIST PRIMARCH is Roboute if vulkan , leman, corvus or dorn not gonna show up the whole humankind is screwed!

sajmonikpl1 wrote:
Emperor as chaos god of good..... Yikes!

I'm not sure I would call the god of a culture that exterminates xenos and their own planets alike (among a lot of other, not so nice things) a god of good? At least not more than Slaanesh is a god of good for a Noise Marine. And yeah, for an Eldar a god that only wants to kill your entire race instead of that + eating your soul is a step forward

a_typical_hero wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:
Emperor as chaos god of good..... Yikes!

I'm not sure I would call the god of a culture that exterminates xenos and their own planets alike (among a lot of other, not so nice things) a god of good? At least not more than Slaanesh is a god of good for a Noise Marine. And yeah, for an Eldar a god that only wants to kill your entire race instead of that + eating your soul is a step forward

Maybe instead of chaos god of order? I mean there is saying: without order there is no chaos so why not?

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

if humanity created a god, this is what should happen.

The emperor is nothing like the deified version of him, so there's no reason his soul should be bound to the totalitarian, genocidal, fascist smiter of enemies the imperium has created.

I'm not really a fan of the star child theory. I don't think the 40k setting would be made better by creating a real god emperor. it would just make the Imperium stronger and tip the scales against all the other factions. The imperium can currently hold them all at bay, including 4 chaos gods. Adding an actual god on the side of the imperium as well would give them too much power.

But look for Imperium now: literally split in 2, most chapters have severe casualties(even with primaris), Cadia went boom, Traitor primarchs keep coming from warp and THE ONLY LOYALIST PRIMARCH is Roboute if vulkan , leman, corvus or dorn not gonna show up the whole humankind is screwed!

It's just a rearrangement of deck chairs. It's only change on paper. Their miniature lines haven't changed, their army lists haven't changed. If you didn't read the background, an army from 8th looks identical to an army from 6th.

Chapter casualties don't really mean anything - they draw from the limitless population of the imperium. Even with tiny tiny % of compatible people, the imperium could, if it chose, build trillions of space marines. Because the population is so large, even 0.000001% of the population is still an insanely large number. And even if a marine chapter dies, they make a new one every week any way.

If you count the number of active marines in the galaxy from year to year, you'd find their numbers remain stable, because they either get new recruits, or build new chapters.

Cadia's boom was what rearranged the deckchairs - you can still play a cadian army. You can still play a blood angel army.

Traitor primarchs have been fighting the imperium since the late 1980s without any loyalists to fight them. Angron, Fulgrim, Mortarion and Magnus had miniatures decades before most of the models the imperium currently has now. A single battleship's weapons batteries would annihilate a primarch - they are nothing special in the grand scope of the galaxy.

The imperium has withstood all the same stuff for the last 10,000 years. It's already withstood being cut off from itself multiple times - the nova terra interregnum split the imperium in twain as a rebellion decided to cede from the imperium. Goge Vandire's Age of Apostasy did a similar thing, only on a larger scale as he was himself lord administratum AND ecclesiarch. This time is also punctuated with massive warp storms that cut the imperium into small pieces isolated from one another.

the only way GW can make the current circumstances actually dire, is by doing irrevocable things to the status quo. Both sides of the cicatrix are still controlled by the imperium - they even created a replacement cadia in the form of Vigilus.

No armies have been exterminated, no permanent changes to the imperium's borders (no necron empires formed, no tyranids infestations taking up 20% of the galaxy etc).

the imperium still holds everything at bay.

for them to add a god to their current power, they'd basically have to Age of Sigmar the whole galaxy in order to balance the power of a god against owning half the codexes in the game...

Hellebore wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

if humanity created a god, this is what should happen.

The emperor is nothing like the deified version of him, so there's no reason his soul should be bound to the totalitarian, genocidal, fascist smiter of enemies the imperium has created.

I'm not really a fan of the star child theory. I don't think the 40k setting would be made better by creating a real god emperor. it would just make the Imperium stronger and tip the scales against all the other factions. The imperium can currently hold them all at bay, including 4 chaos gods. Adding an actual god on the side of the imperium as well would give them too much power.

But look for Imperium now: literally split in 2, most chapters have severe casualties(even with primaris), Cadia went boom, Traitor primarchs keep coming from warp and THE ONLY LOYALIST PRIMARCH is Roboute if vulkan , leman, corvus or dorn not gonna show up the whole humankind is screwed!

It's just a rearrangement of deck chairs. It's only change on paper. Their miniature lines haven't changed, their army lists haven't changed. If you didn't read the background, an army from 8th looks identical to an army from 6th.

Chapter casualties don't really mean anything - they draw from the limitless population of the imperium. Even with tiny tiny % of compatible people, the imperium could, if it chose, build trillions of space marines. Because the population is so large, even 0.000001% of the population is still an insanely large number. And even if a marine chapter dies, they make a new one every week any way.

If you count the number of active marines in the galaxy from year to year, you'd find their numbers remain stable, because they either get new recruits, or build new chapters.

Cadia's boom was what rearranged the deckchairs - you can still play a cadian army. You can still play a blood angel army.

Traitor primarchs have been fighting the imperium since the late 1980s without any loyalists to fight them. Angron, Fulgrim, Mortarion and Magnus had miniatures decades before most of the models the imperium currently has now. A single battleship's weapons batteries would annihilate a primarch - they are nothing special in the grand scope of the galaxy.

The imperium has withstood all the same stuff for the last 10,000 years. It's already withstood being cut off from itself multiple times - the nova terra interregnum split the imperium in twain as a rebellion decided to cede from the imperium. Goge Vandire's Age of Apostasy did a similar thing, only on a larger scale as he was himself lord administratum AND ecclesiarch. This time is also punctuated with massive warp storms that cut the imperium into small pieces isolated from one another.

the only way GW can make the current circumstances actually dire, is by doing irrevocable things to the status quo. Both sides of the cicatrix are still controlled by the imperium - they even created a replacement cadia in the form of Vigilus.

No armies have been exterminated, no permanent changes to the imperium's borders (no necron empires formed, no tyranids infestations taking up 20% of the galaxy etc).

the imperium still holds everything at bay.

for them to add a god to their current power, they'd basically have to Age of Sigmar the whole galaxy in order to balance the power of a god against owning half the codexes in the game...

I see. Reading into background i found that astronomican is flickering so warp travel so emperor is fading. AND i found that orks are preparing biggest WAAAAGH! in history which is bad.Maybe situation gonna be fine but still that rift Cadia fall is still impressive.Maybe even this year we gonna see new orks joining this hellhole!About nids i believe they are not invading but running instead so the planets are just snacks to go because if they really wanted they would nom entire 40k universe .It would be funny to see race or faction that causes fear in space locusts themselves.


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sajmonikpl1 wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
There are several possibilities, but my favourite headcannon would be that by now the collective prayers and faith of billions of humans over the last 10.000 years were enough to create an Emperor warp entity, similar to how the Eldar birthed Slaanesh. It is NOT the just passed away Emperor in warp form, mind you. The emperor did not want the people to believe in gods or see him as a god. So it would be a twist on a twist that

a) people started to revere the Emperor as a god
b) all their faiths and prayer created an actual god
c) that god is not the emperor

if humanity created a god, this is what should happen.

The emperor is nothing like the deified version of him, so there's no reason his soul should be bound to the totalitarian, genocidal, fascist smiter of enemies the imperium has created.

I'm not really a fan of the star child theory. I don't think the 40k setting would be made better by creating a real god emperor. it would just make the Imperium stronger and tip the scales against all the other factions. The imperium can currently hold them all at bay, including 4 chaos gods. Adding an actual god on the side of the imperium as well would give them too much power.

But look for Imperium now: literally split in 2, most chapters have severe casualties(even with primaris), Cadia went boom, Traitor primarchs keep coming from warp and THE ONLY LOYALIST PRIMARCH is Roboute if vulkan , leman, corvus or dorn not gonna show up the whole humankind is screwed!

It's just a rearrangement of deck chairs. It's only change on paper. Their miniature lines haven't changed, their army lists haven't changed. If you didn't read the background, an army from 8th looks identical to an army from 6th.

Chapter casualties don't really mean anything - they draw from the limitless population of the imperium. Even with tiny tiny % of compatible people, the imperium could, if it chose, build trillions of space marines. Because the population is so large, even 0.000001% of the population is still an insanely large number. And even if a marine chapter dies, they make a new one every week any way.

If you count the number of active marines in the galaxy from year to year, you'd find their numbers remain stable, because they either get new recruits, or build new chapters.

Cadia's boom was what rearranged the deckchairs - you can still play a cadian army. You can still play a blood angel army.

Traitor primarchs have been fighting the imperium since the late 1980s without any loyalists to fight them. Angron, Fulgrim, Mortarion and Magnus had miniatures decades before most of the models the imperium currently has now. A single battleship's weapons batteries would annihilate a primarch - they are nothing special in the grand scope of the galaxy.

The imperium has withstood all the same stuff for the last 10,000 years. It's already withstood being cut off from itself multiple times - the nova terra interregnum split the imperium in twain as a rebellion decided to cede from the imperium. Goge Vandire's Age of Apostasy did a similar thing, only on a larger scale as he was himself lord administratum AND ecclesiarch. This time is also punctuated with massive warp storms that cut the imperium into small pieces isolated from one another.

the only way GW can make the current circumstances actually dire, is by doing irrevocable things to the status quo. Both sides of the cicatrix are still controlled by the imperium - they even created a replacement cadia in the form of Vigilus.

No armies have been exterminated, no permanent changes to the imperium's borders (no necron empires formed, no tyranids infestations taking up 20% of the galaxy etc).

the imperium still holds everything at bay.

for them to add a god to their current power, they'd basically have to Age of Sigmar the whole galaxy in order to balance the power of a god against owning half the codexes in the game...

I see. Reading into background i found that astronomican is flickering so warp travel so emperor is fading. AND i found that orks are preparing biggest WAAAAGH! in history which is bad.Maybe situation gonna be fine but still that rift Cadia fall is still impressive.Maybe even this year we gonna see new orks joining this hellhole!About nids i believe they are not invading but running instead so the planets are just snacks to go because if they really wanted they would nom entire 40k universe long ago .It would be funny to see race or faction that causes fear in space locusts themselves.

Pretty sure the Golden Throne was fixed with a little help from Commoragh?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure the Golden Throne was fixed with a little help from Commoragh?

Yes i heard about it. But it was earlier The dark pact of commoragh i think?And it makes things worse.

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure the Golden Throne was fixed with a little help from Commoragh?

Yes i heard about it. But it was earlier The dark pact of commoragh i think?And it makes things worse.

What happened? I thought that was just a plot point that never got expanded

123ply wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure the Golden Throne was fixed with a little help from Commoragh?

Yes i heard about it. But it was earlier The dark pact of commoragh i think?And it makes things worse.

What happened? I thought that was just a plot point that never got expanded

actually It's expanded in "the Carrion throne"